Bnp party political broadcast on tv.

[Teddy_boy]

Just saw this and what a lot of old cobblers. Nick griffin buying canoes for teenagers and paying for hip replacements.Does anyone know if Hitler did anything similar before he rose to power?

[mike11111]

No, but then Hitler wasn't stupid. Griffin is.

[anneasquith]

teddy, i would not even watched anything broadcasted by the BNP

[Teddy_boy]

If you dont watch then it you cant give an informed opinion.Was Hitler clever then mike ?

[sandyRoe]

He couldn't have been that clever or he'd never have opened the second front.

[DTCwordfan]

Your implication is that Griffin will rise to power.

Me thinks not - the Brits electorate are not that stoopid.

Having said that, AV could have some impact on letting minority "parties" and, yes I hesitate to call his shower a party, a bigger platform for spouting their insensitive and fundamentally racist crap/hogwash. That is a little dangerous and a reason for voting for the single vote.

[anneasquith]

yes i can teddy. because i have seen them on tv and read articles in the past. i doubt they have changed their views recently.

[sandyRoe]

Proportional representation might give the BNP a seat or two. AV never would.

[mike11111]

Only a very clever man from humble origins could rise to such a pinnacle of power that the vast majority of the population of a once-proud nation could be persuaded to submit to his every whim. This is not an endorsement of Hitler or anything that he stood for.

[Teddy_boy]

The electoral system here is totally different from the German one that saw Hitler put into power without an election.So the only similarity i draw between them are their obvious fascist ideals.

[mike11111]

I agree with Sandy. He must have been absent from school on the day when they were taught about the Napoleonic assault on Moscow.

[Teddy_boy]

Didnt Hindenburg appoint Hitler?I dont believe the German electorate had any part in his appointment as the Fuhrer.

[DTCwordfan]

True sandy....not thinking. The comments about Hitler's cleverness are also spot on and Nick Griffin is just a mere speck in comparison of intelligence, however detestable both of them are.

[mike11111]

Sorry, Teddy, but if you read your history books you will find that Hitler won the election in 1933, forcing the President to appoint him as Chancellor. The rest is history.

[Teddy_boy]

Sorry but Hitler was elected chancellor , but not Fuhrer.Its a common misconception.


" Hitler became Führer (Supreme Leader) on August 2, 1934: he'd been Chancellor of Germany since January 30, 1933. Very technically, Hitler was never actually elected, but he did take power legally under the laws of the then-Weimar Republic, which he almost immediately abolished. Until Hitler was appointed Chancellor, the Nazis never held an actual majority in the government and the parliament. "

[Teddy_boy]

Hitler was appointed Chancellor under President Paul von Hindenburg on January 30, 1933, as part of a coalition government originally intended to hold the wobbly democracy together, but Hitler wanted no democracy and engineered things so that President Hindenburg was forced to dissolve parliament and hold new elections. Using violence and anti-Communist hysteria to their advantage, on election day, March 6, 1933, the Nazis increased their result to 44% of the vote, making them the largest party in Germany, but still not giving them an absolute majority. Nevertheless, continuing to use violence or the threat of it, plus clever political subterfuge, Hitler consolidated his power in the parliament until he had successfully, and apparently legally, suppressed all the other political parties.

When Hindenburg died on August 2, 1934, Hitler's cabinet passed a law transferring the power of the presidency to Hitler as both Chancellor and Führer (Leader).

Anyway back to Nick Griffin.Would he need the same set of circumstances to ever gain power in the UK?I cant see him running the country under any other circumstances.

[starone]

We don't elect our Prime Minister either, do we?
DT You are wrong, - the British electorate are stupid. Have you noticed what percentage of them vote?

[mike11111]

I cannot fault your analysis, Teddy. If one lesson can be learned from the aftermath of the Weimar Republic it is the the desire of the majority to be rid of weak coalition governments. Those who foolishly intend to vote 'Yes' on May 5th, please take note.

[Teddy_boy]

I think idleness has more to do with not voting than intelligence.

[Teddy_boy]

I dont draw a connection between the weimar and the 5th may elections. Only a connection between fascist political views .The only lesson i see is tht to give overall control to a political party , or leader , has long ranging and unforseeable efffects.You can see that today in both Libya and Syria.Not fascist countries but certainly family controlled dictatorships in my opinion.