Yeast Overgrowth in various organs

[nohorn]

I have been researching something called Candidia overgrowth which I have been plagued with forever. It usually starts when you are younger and treated with massive oad spectrum antibiotics for something like acne. For me it was for rehuematic fever (sp) when I was treated with monthly deep muscle penicillin shots that they would give a horse. I did this about a year. It was to keep the staph infection from attacking again.
Well I have spent my life time fighting yeast infections.

Is there anyone who has been treated for overgrowth of Candidia. It invades nearly all the organs. Traditional medicine only recognizes it for nails, mouth, vagina. Someday they ill catch up. The alternative medicine practioneers think it could be the source of Fibromalgia and Chronic Fatigue syndrome which are both common. When you google yeast overgrowth it gives information on how to treat such. But I would like to hear from a practioneer or patient. I am meeting with a physician who I hope will lend me a sympathtic ear to give me a prescription of Fluconzale, daily doses.

Squad's opinion would be most appreciated. Thank you.

Nohorn

[nohorn]

the words should have been broad spectrum in the second sentence. Darn curser keeps jumping around.

[Sqad]

Nohorn, I am a clinician rather than a bacteriologist so please keep that in mind when you evaluate the comments that I make.

Normal gut commensals commonly include fungi which live, for the most part, happily with their bacterial neighbours in a happy symbiosis with no upset at all to the host. However in certain situations, this idyllic lifestyle is interrupted and either the bacteria or fungi start to try and “take over2 the host’s defence mechanism, thus endangering the existence of the host. Certain situations such as intense antibiotic therapy, disorders of the immune system, dehydration and post operative infections may “turn the tide” in favour of the fungus taking over the host.
When this happens there are two main outcomes:

1) The host with the help of anti fungal drugs, fights off the invader, wins and the status quo returns, with the fungus returned to its proper role on the host.
2) Due to many factors, the host loses the fight and death of the host ensues.

There is no intermediary phase, as you describe as a long standing chronic multi organ fungus infection.

Fungal infections mainly Candida Albicans and less commonly Aspergilla do occur but the end result always fits into the two categories mentioned above…….you are either fight it OR it overwhelms you and you die.

I look forward to your comments.

[chris1957au]

hope you win this one then

[nohorn]

Thank You Squad, etc.

Now that is an interesting viewpoint, being all or none. Do you believe "leaky gut" exists? Just wondering, I don't think mainstream medical people believe so, but it is an argument (theory) that could make sense.

[Sqad]

nohorn....."leaky gut"....."leaky pipe"...to me.....in my opinion "abracadabra medicine."

Plenty of symptoms, plenty of treatments, plenty of supposedly confirmatory tests which could apply to 100 conditions...BUT never the big one....Which part of the gut is leaking and why?

Sorry.....I am not convinced.

[woofgang]

I absolutely get Sqad's comment on "all or nothing".....however, my experience is that there can be a third scenario where the candida infection is cleared and recurs in short order, maybe multiple times. I would postulate that this might be due to vigorous measures taken to clear it, which also clear the competing organisms which would normally keep it in balance.
My recent experience is with oral thrush triggered by antibiotics. I treated it, as advised with daktarin gel. the thrush would clear, stay away for 2 to 5 weeks, then recur. That being the case, if you are going to take daily fluconazole, will it also destroy other competing organisms and should you have a strategy to repopulate your system?

[Sqad]

woofgang I agree entirely one can have recurrent fungal infections for a variety of reasons, but nohorn is suggesting a "multi organ" organ reservoir of fungal nests, ready to pounce at the press of a "bodily signal"

[woofgang]

outside Hollywood, Sqad I don't think so.......

[Wak]

Hi Nohorn, I'm afraid I am not qualified to comment on your condition or problems but I will add the following link which could help you with your researches into Candida, etc.

http://articles.merco...a-yeast-part-two.aspx

Take care and keep searching.

[woofgang]

Wak that's an interesting link. setting aside what the cause of the listed symptoms is, the advice is sound...basically, shorn of the medical stuff (and I am always suspicious of sweeping statements such as
Many adolescents take long-term oral antibiotics for acne caused by hormonal imbalance and poor diet"
and
"Many teens and young adults, especially in the malnourished, beer-drinking college years, develop mononucleosis. Up to 20 percent never feel quite as healthy again and may go on to develop CFIDS")

the advice, if you read i,t is simple and basic
If you have digestive problems resolve them
eat a healthy diet
use a probiotic
take exercise as you can
get help in managing your attitude to having a long term condition.
use a multivitamin.

Got to say though I am wary of good ol' Doc Mercola. I signed up for his emails because I am interested in healthier eating but they started off well lets say by the road sign that warns you of a bend and gradually accelerated around that bend and out of sight.

[Wak]

Hi, Woofgang, I started to get the Dr. Mercola's e-mails a long time ago when you only got one per week and now you get one every day.
He does come out with some very interesting stuff and always provides the links to the source of the info for you to check if you wish.
Obviously he is trying to sell his products (like everyone does on the Internet) but I find his comments on some natural treatments quite interesting, like curcumin which has been used by India for thousands of years and the difference between India and the U.S. regarding the incidence of certain ailments, etc.
The lack of B12 in the elderly (which could possibly help with Alzheimer's) is another interesting subject.
Didn't they discover Aspirin because some natives chewed tree bark to cure headache?
Then again, you don't have to believe everything you read, do you ??
A pinch of salt comes to mind but, like I say, very interesting.