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Labelling Meat And Poultry As 'halal'.
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Assuming you are neither Muslim nor vegetarian, would you be put off buying meat if you knew it was slaughtered the Halal way?
I have had this email from Tesco.
"For example, all our New Zealand lamb meets Halal standards."
I know for a fact that this isn't labelled on the product nor sold in the Halal section - I would expect some sort of label or symbol to indicate to Muslims that the product is suitable for them.
Could it be that Tesco believe they would sell less it the meat was labelled as Halal?
I have had this email from Tesco.
"For example, all our New Zealand lamb meets Halal standards."
I know for a fact that this isn't labelled on the product nor sold in the Halal section - I would expect some sort of label or symbol to indicate to Muslims that the product is suitable for them.
Could it be that Tesco believe they would sell less it the meat was labelled as Halal?
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and i didn't say it just had it's throat cut, there were some posts before that, It makes me annoyed quite frankly when people don't read what is put, secondly tell you that if you don't like it go vegetarian. I feel we are led up the garden path, if those who complained about having horsemeat as a substitute for beef products can't see that this is in the same league, having something you do not want. I would like to think that animals are slaughtered in a humane way, that is what i want, not some one telling me it's halal or nothing.
I think Ludwig, in response to Andy-Hughes had it right.
Andy: //I think it would be hypocritical of any meat eater to start drawing fine distinctions about the way the animal died to supply their food.//
Ludwig: //Too right andy...flipping muslims and their halal nonsense.//
Like the ban on Jews and Muslims eating pork, this requirement has to date back to the origins of these religions in hot regions. This method ensured the meat was fresh. Time these antiquated doctrines acknowledged that their outdated dietary laws are no longer necessary. Refrigeration is quite commonplace now.
Andy: //I think it would be hypocritical of any meat eater to start drawing fine distinctions about the way the animal died to supply their food.//
Ludwig: //Too right andy...flipping muslims and their halal nonsense.//
Like the ban on Jews and Muslims eating pork, this requirement has to date back to the origins of these religions in hot regions. This method ensured the meat was fresh. Time these antiquated doctrines acknowledged that their outdated dietary laws are no longer necessary. Refrigeration is quite commonplace now.
Some on here are looking at the world through rose tinted glasses. Do you actually think that in the cold harsh world of a large commercial slaughter house the slaughter men take time to make sure each animalis stunned before having it's throat slit ? They work to a quota they have to kill a set number of animals an hour. For many years there was a slaughter house just up the road from me , I knew many of the people who worked there.
They just didn't have time to make sure each animal was stunned it would hold up the killing tooo long. They were always prewarned when the inspectors were going to come round so that it was never seen . The same applies now .
If most of you could see what really goes on in a slaughter house that as to kill a quota of 100s of animals a day you would never eat meat again.
They just didn't have time to make sure each animal was stunned it would hold up the killing tooo long. They were always prewarned when the inspectors were going to come round so that it was never seen . The same applies now .
If most of you could see what really goes on in a slaughter house that as to kill a quota of 100s of animals a day you would never eat meat again.
i have seen footage of the slaughter of animals in an abattoir, of course it's not nice, who on earth would anyone expect it to be. Having said that i will still continue on in the belief that we have has methods of despatching animals that doesn't seem quite so inhumane, and if it's halal it should say so on all the products, so you are given the choice, that is all i ask.
As a non-believer in religious silliness I have to take the view that it doesn't bother me whether some religious loon chants incantations or casts spells while the animal is being slaughtered.
What does concern me is first of all that the animal is treated as humanely as possible under the circumstances, and secondly the sneakiness of the supermarkets.
I'll probably stick to my local farm shop for meat purchases in future.
What does concern me is first of all that the animal is treated as humanely as possible under the circumstances, and secondly the sneakiness of the supermarkets.
I'll probably stick to my local farm shop for meat purchases in future.
@Eddie - You may very well be right, that large commercial abbatoirs cut corners, in order to fulfill their quota.
I have worked in an abbatoir - many years ago, as a teenager -and we found time to stun them properly, but that was a local one with a relatively small throughput.
Like ludwig, and em, and others here, I want some degree of assurance that the animal that was slaughtered to provide my meat was slaughtered humanely - and that, to me means a proper pre-stun.
Just to shrug and accept the status quo is not acceptalbe, but as consumers the only power you have is your buying power- that is why I have made the effort to find a local butcher, and one fortunately that seems competitively priced.
For others, this might not be a hot button issue, but I think for a substantial proportion of the population it would be...
I have worked in an abbatoir - many years ago, as a teenager -and we found time to stun them properly, but that was a local one with a relatively small throughput.
Like ludwig, and em, and others here, I want some degree of assurance that the animal that was slaughtered to provide my meat was slaughtered humanely - and that, to me means a proper pre-stun.
Just to shrug and accept the status quo is not acceptalbe, but as consumers the only power you have is your buying power- that is why I have made the effort to find a local butcher, and one fortunately that seems competitively priced.
For others, this might not be a hot button issue, but I think for a substantial proportion of the population it would be...
By keeping quiet about the slaughter method, any shop selling halal or kosher meat unlabelled is actually helping to keep down the price of meat for Muslims and Jews. To be strictly halal or kosher, there are some parts of the animal which are not to be eaten, or some which are surplus to religious requirements, and if these go into the normal ( unlabelled) food supply instead of being thrown away or sent for dogfood, they will help keep down the price of the halal or kosher meat. That is what I mind about - meat from inhumanely killed animals sold to me without my knowledge so that Muslims and Jews don't pay the full, true price of their meat.
As one commentary and reasonably informed opinion on this:
a friend of Mrs Z farms goats.
She is not religious at all but cares about her animals and is concerned that her animals are slaughtered in the kindest possible way.
She chooses to send them to a local halal abattoir.
The halal cutting of the throat does not mean they 'bleed to death' - death is near instantaneous as blood supply to the brain stops.
The main advantage she believes is that the halal 'environment' is one of relative quiet and tranquillity. the animals go one at a time to a separate area where they are kept calm and killed with no warning.
This contrasts with the regular abattoirs she has used which are noisy, smell of death and allow animals to see what is happening so causing distress.
a friend of Mrs Z farms goats.
She is not religious at all but cares about her animals and is concerned that her animals are slaughtered in the kindest possible way.
She chooses to send them to a local halal abattoir.
The halal cutting of the throat does not mean they 'bleed to death' - death is near instantaneous as blood supply to the brain stops.
The main advantage she believes is that the halal 'environment' is one of relative quiet and tranquillity. the animals go one at a time to a separate area where they are kept calm and killed with no warning.
This contrasts with the regular abattoirs she has used which are noisy, smell of death and allow animals to see what is happening so causing distress.
There is a huge Halal abattoir near me and the volume of animals they kill each day does not lend itself to a calm and caring atmosphere. It is as much a production line slaughterhouse as any other large abattoir.
Likewise, my own butcher slaughters a lot of his pigs and lambs himself and that is a very different experience. Still not a pleasant experience - death can't be - but he is caring.
Likewise, my own butcher slaughters a lot of his pigs and lambs himself and that is a very different experience. Still not a pleasant experience - death can't be - but he is caring.
i recall seeing this programme, and some interesting points are raised..
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I suppose it depends on the individual slaughterhouse
The halal one i referenced earlier is small.
/why our slaughter houses take the trouble to do what they do then?/
That works on the assumption that their processes are applied consistently and achieve what they are supposed to do in terms of stunning etc
I doubt if that is the case in any of the large, industrialised slaughterhouses
The halal one i referenced earlier is small.
/why our slaughter houses take the trouble to do what they do then?/
That works on the assumption that their processes are applied consistently and achieve what they are supposed to do in terms of stunning etc
I doubt if that is the case in any of the large, industrialised slaughterhouses
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