Did I Just Hear Right?

[cassa333]

Did I just hear Jeremy Hunt say there could be a second referendum to agree the terms of our exit?

Surely this is Just another tactic to remain? There is no chance of making Remainders happy and the Bretixers will probably be looking for different things.

[fiction-factory]

There may be or there may not. Maybe you would actually welcome a referendum if the Brexit terms turn out to be not as expected, so we can reject them

[ToraToraTora]

and what question would it be asking? More pony! order another truck load of sour grapes.

[naomi24]

That was his suggestion.

[Quoi]

If it was possible to exit the EUSSR and keep the trading element without the euro and without the schengen zone and with protected sovereignty and no more ECHR etc etc
or any combination of the above and some more items.
How many options do you think would be on the voting slip this time?

[naomi24]

Quoi, there was no suggestion that potential terms be put to the vote, simply that terms be agreed with Europe and relayed to the public before asking the all important question again. Do you want to 'Remain' in Europe or do you want to 'Leave'.

[237SJ]

That sounds like a good idea as a lot of people clearly didn`t understand the implications of coming out of the EU. Maybe the near on 30% who didn`t vote might like to have a go as well.

[dannyk13]

And if a second referendum is in favour of the Remaniacs do the Brexiters ask for another referendum?

[Togo]

Well if the fix it up for another referendum, and the Remainiacs get a majority, I want a re-re-referendum. So there.

[fiction-factory]

In the unlikley event there is a referendum it would be different referendum rather than a second referendum

[fiction-factory]

I'm off to work so will leave the speculation and angst about rumour and speculation to others.

[jim360]

My understanding was that the question would be along the lines of "Should the UK accept the terms of the recent negotiation?" rather than a second referendum with the question "Haha, very funny Britain? Seriously, though, this time..."

[Smowball]

Cameron said yesterday there wouldn't be a second referendum

[Svejk]

I'd warrant the Remainers would get a nasty shock if we got another referendum. (which we won't)

[Old_Geezer]

Is there no limit to these (suggestions of) referendums that someone has to pay for ? Or are we restricted to say 50 each ? Perhaps we should have a referendum to see if we should have a referendum ?

Or perhaps we need to have a vote of no confidence in all politicians who can't accept democracy, and sling out those who fail.

[indefinable]

Imo I don't think there should be second referendum, we've made our bed..etc
But I would love to see the results of a second one..
I imagine that it would be a resounding win for the remain ( I would even hazard a guess at 80% for remain ). It would be interesting as well if there was a second one what the Brexit group would campaign with..... £350m a week pumped into the nhs. ..oh no wait we can't tell that lie again..Borders closed with no more foreigner......oh wait we can't promise that either!!

[Old_Geezer]

That sounds like an appalling idea as "a lot" (how many ?) of people clearly claim to have not understood the implications of coming out of the EU and if true are too stupid to be trusted with a vote, and if not true are being deceitful and untrustworthy and so ought not be given a second attempt to get an answer they may be happy with. But since they don't understand things I'd not guarantee their happiness even then.

I put their wailing down to be similar to, for example, the soon to be married person who has made a good decision in their life and now has cold feet and wants to run away and change things.

[Old_Geezer]

One can not tell a lie again until one has told it the first time.
But of course you knew that and simply wanted to either get away with it or trigger a reaction.

[youngmafbog]

I always thought Hunt to be a fool and he is now well surpassing my expectaions.

[New Judge]

Mr Hunt’s ridiculous notion that there should be a second referendum on the settlement terms is absurd. Is he suggesting that if the terms are not good enough we remain? If not, what’s the point of another referendum. (The question: Do you want to accept these revised terms from the EU? If you do not, er…er…).

"Maybe you would actually welcome a referendum if the Brexit terms turn out to be not as expected, so we can reject them"

Nobody knew (or now knows) what to expect. The question asked was "Do you wish to remain or leave?" Not "Do you wish to remain or leave provided the terms are acceptable?" The question has been asked, the answer has been given. Everybody must now get on with it.

"...a lot of people clearly didn`t understand the implications of coming out of the EU. "

What are you suggesting they did not understand, but which they now possibly do, 237? The country had about three months of being bombarded with "facts" from both sides. Neither pulled any punches, both stretched the truth to its utmost, both did a bit a creative accounting. It's the public's job, every time they cast a vote, to see through all this subterfuge, smoke and mirrors. Politicians mislead, the electorate chooses who and what to believe. It has always been thus. All that has happened since Friday morning is that the stock market has lost a chunk (which is already beginning to recover), the pound has slipped (because it was too high anyway) – both of which were no surprise whatsoever. Oh, and load of people who don’t care for the result (the Scots, Londoners, 18-30s and the Gibraltarians) have unjustifiably shouted “foul” and are looking for all sorts of reasons (like the one you ridiculously cite) to have the result declared invalid. Do you think if the vote had been to remain there would now be a faction suggesting “..but people didn’t realise the implications of remaining in the EU”? Of course not. People realised exactly what the issues were and what the risks and benefits of going either way entailed. It is insulting to suggest that because they voted to leave that they did not.

[New Judge]

"I imagine that it would be a resounding win for the remain ( I would even hazard a guess at 80% for remain )"

I'd gladly take your bet, indefinable.

I don't understand all this. What has changed since Thursday? Apart from the couple of fallouts I mentioned above (which were well forecast and of no surprise) what has changed? Thumping on about the £350m per day is about all there is. The leave side was in no position to forecast whether it was correct or what it might be spent on. In the same way Mr Cameron was in no position to forecast World War 3.

Politicians always mislead the electorate. That's what they do. Anybody daft enough to believe all they say is simply that - daft. Most of the people that I know who voted to leave did so not because of what the future outside the EU would look like but because they did not like the current situation within it, which they saw as only becoming worse. Whatever the future, it simply could not be any worse than remaining in the EU.

Get a grip, everybody. Calm down, accept the result and grasp the opportunities it will bring (which won't come tomorrow or even by the weekend).