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Think that you may be right Pea Pod as it tastes the same where ever you buy the cakes. Thanks for the thought about Chantilly cream sunflower 68, but i know it wouldn't involve anything in the fresh cream line as these products are always just on the shelf,not in the chiller cabinet. Shouldn't even really be asking for a recipe as the amount of grease on the bag that they come in, should be enough to tell me ........ a moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hips!!