Help needed trying to find parents

[scoobydoo2]

Hi I am trying to trace the parents of Hannah Rebecca Ludlam born in 1870 in Shirland Derbyshire. She married Albert Carlin in 1892 but I am really struggling to find concrete evidence of her parents. Any help appreciated.

[craft1948]

I don't think John Riley and Mary Ludlam ever married. I can't find any marriage between 1891 and 1901, and in 1911 Mary is living with Eliza, Alexander Blount and family in Hardstoff Terrace, Shirland, nr Alfreton. Mary is shown as Mary Ludlam a 68 year old widow

[dothawkes31]

I have found Salathial as an 8 year old in 1851 living with his grandparents William and Sophia Ludlam living South Winfield derbyshire. His sister Elizabth aged 11 is living there but no apparent parents, William and Sophia have a daughter hannah aged 21, Sophia is aged 60 and so I will look for the family in 1841 to get the parents of elizabeth and salathial.

[dothawkes31]

william ludlam married sophia brassington 23 feb 1812 at duffield, derby, one of their children gave birth to salathial but not sure which.

It's a mystery indeed as to why mary never married if salathial was dead, but there's nothing for him after 1871.

[dothawkes31]

William ans Sophia had a son John in 1814, he married Elizabeth (nee Howr i think) and they had a son william in 1840.
the ancestry.co.uk transctibers have transcribed Howr but it is quite slearly a surname beginning with S, possibly Stowe. Elizabeth Ludlam, John's wife, must have two children either out of wedlock or from a first marriage. Hannah and aaron and I think this hannah is the one aged 21 in 1851 and called ludlam by then. I can carry on scoobydoo if you want me to.

[craft1948]

I think his parents may be William and Mary as they are the only Ludlam's I can find from South Wingfield.

[dothawkes31]

Ok John Ludlam married Elizabeth Storer 7 July 1838 Alsover derby, these could be Salathiel's parents.

[scoobydoo2]

I cannot believe how much you have all found! I still can't find them on the 1871! If you can find more I'd certainly appreciate it. Thank you all for giving up your New Year's Day to help me. It's strange really because every time I look for a different branch on my tree I come up with someone going AWOL.
Thanks again I really do appreciate it

[craft1948]

I've done a help post trying to find Salathiel on Genes Reunited.......they're usually very good.
I've looked for him after 1871 on ancestry, genealogist, and findmypast to no avail.

[dothawkes31]

John and Elizabeth are in South Wingfield in 1841 with their family,
HO 107/196 / 18.
William was baptised 3 may 1818 son of william and sophia (belper baptist chapel) and yes he could be salathial's father but salathial called two sons John with no William at all. and on the 1851 census william jnr is living with his wife mary and their children german 6, george 4 and ann 2, so if salathial was there's he would have been the older child, German was baptised apr 1845 .
In 1861, all William and mary;s family plus a few more are there but no salathial.

[dothawkes31]

Ok I've found salathiel and mary on the 1871 census for Higham, Shirland ,Derbyshire, they have been transcribed as Salathiel and Mary Leedham, that's why you're not finding it scoobydoo, I was wondering how DSJ found it!

[craft1948]

scooby I can't find them on ancestry in 1871 but they're on the genealogist in 1871.

[craft1948]

I wouldn't worry about the parents dot.......scooby's been given Salathiel's birth reg details so if he really wants to he can get them from that.

[craft1948]

here he is on ancestry scooby.....his name has been transcribed as Leedham...

Salathiel Leedham 28
Mary Leedham 26
John Leedham 2
Hannah K Leedham 1

[craft1948]

oops ignore me......didn't see dot's post.....

[dothawkes31]

This is another instance of the IGI being misleading, many of the entries on there have been added by members of the LDS Church, who's comittment to the church to increase the postumous congreagtion by reasearching their own ancestors, means individuals added to a tree get included, in this case, the Elizabeth Ludlam aged 11 on the 1851 census living as the granddaughter of William and Sophia ludlam, has been included on the IGI as a 'birth' in 1840 to William and Sophia Ludlam. This is of course wrong, as the person adding the info has ignored the relationship status given on the census. there is not apparent baptism for salathiel nor elizabeth included on the IGI, and though i still think that John and Elizabther Ludlem are their parents, it is not provable through baptism and so obtaining the birth certificate is the right choice, I do think however that there will be a non-conformist baptism recorded somewhere for them and the other children,

[scoobydoo2]

I will order the birth certificate and let you know

[dothawkes31]

oooo how interesting is this:
http://www.pentrich.o...ml/depositions.l.html

[dothawkes31]

several of the Ludlam men were luddites and one was hung for treason !

[dothawkes31]

Could be wrong, but William Ludlam was born 20 July 1794 at south Wingfield, son of Isaac and frances. And Issac hunior was the son of isaac and fanny wheatcroft. I think, possibly, salathiels great grandfather was the isaac executed in that article. It looks like it anyway.

[dothawkes31]

william the son of Isaac, and possibly salathiels grandfather, is mentioned in the depositions. How absolutely fascinating scooby!!!