If The D Day Invasion Had Been A Failure Would The Iron Curtain Have Started At...

[sandyRoe]

...Calais?

[Baldric]

Two World Wars and One World Cup, Do Dah, Do Dah!

[Peter Pedant]

This is not history but fantasy

erm - see what you mean - the communists were organised - Francs Tireurs et Partisans FTP - I think. Those damned froggies knew that the last time the Russians had occupied Paree was .... 1815.

[Ken4155]

"If the D Day invasion had been a failure................." Doesn't bear thinking about, sandy.

[sandyRoe]

It's just a late night 'what if' question.

[Canary42]

No, Berlin would have suffered the same fate as Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

[anneasquith]

musing ?

[Ken4155]

I'll be goose-stepping in my slumber, now:-(

[gettinblurry]

I suspect that US nuclear intervention would have been the major factor.
They could have threatened both Germany & the Soviets with the bomb & I imagine that both dictators would've seen the writing on the wall.

[sandyRoe]

supposing, I suppose.
The Red Army probably wouldn't have made as quick an advance without the second front sapping German reserves

[sandyRoe]

It took 14 months 'til the bomb was deployed.

[shoota]

Putin in Paris, a gulag in Grenoble, a collective in Cannes......
Shiver me timbers!

[Peter Pedant]

Dresden was selected as a the European nuclear target
and so was relatively unbombed ( so they could see what the result was )
but events took a hand

There were of course also landings in Nice and thereabouts in Aug 44....

[gettinblurry]

True, but that's 14 months of fighting more than one front. If D-Day was a failure, would Britain (or Germany) suddenly crumbled? I doubt it.

[sandyRoe]

Balalaikas in Biarritz, Leninists in Lourdes, it doesn't bear thinking about. :-(

[Quizmonster]

Why would they have stopped at Calais? Dunmore Head or thereabouts, the most westerly point on the mainland of Ireland would have been much more likely.
Americans often used to say that, but for their intervention in the war, we Brits would all be speaking German now. I don't think so; Russian is vastly more likely.

[Mosaic]

'What if's' are great to play about with but there are so many variables in history that you can choose an infinite number of alternatives. For example, one of the various assassination attempts on Hitler may have succeeded and a more centrist regime may have led Germany and Europe to peace and prosperity.

[Peter Pedant]

Mosaic
'What if's' are great to play about with but there are so many variables in history that you can choose an infinite number of alternatives. //

Hi mosaic - you need the following quote for your next lecture:

The only lesson from history is ; there are no lessons from history ....

[mikey4444]

If D Day had failed, then it would seem to me that Hitler would have won. He would have made a peace treaty with the Soviets, and we would all be speaking German now !

[Quizmonster]

Mikey, have you forgotten the non-aggression pact between Nazi Germany and Russia, agreed in 1939, and the fact that the Germans binned it less than two years later?
In addition, do you really think the Russians would have just decided to forgive and forget Stalingrad and the multi-millions of Russian war dead in the following three or four years? If so, I very much doubt that Stalin would have!
A further peace treaty would have been a total non-starter in my view and hence my opinion that Russia would have overwhelmed Germany and ended up ruling all of northern Europe even of not further afield.