Yet Two More Foreign Killers Off Our Streets.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28290635

London is noted for gang killings, but this one involved Turkish gangs, how come they are in this country in the first place, Turkey isn't in the EU yet is it?

/// Baljit Ubhey, chief prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service, said: "This case represents just one of a long list of incidents of gang war between the Tottenham Turks and the Hackney Turks. ///

[youngmafbog]

Not in the EU yet? Since when has that mattered?

Especially under Noo labours open door policy and multicultural experiment.

Our country has become a joke.

[Hypognosis]

They usually head to Germany, or France. EU membership immaterial in previous decades.

Wait until they twig on to the bit about Europe passing laws over them…
;-)

[Zeuhl]

Turks have been coming to Britain for many years.

/On his father's side, BorisJohnson is a great-grandson of Ali Kemal Bey, a liberal Turkish journalist and the Interior Minister in the government of Damat Ferid Pasha, Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire, who was killed during the Turkish War of Independence in 1922. During World War I, Johnson's paternal grandfather and great-aunt were recognised as British subjects and took their grandmother's maiden name of Johnson./

[youngmafbog]

Is Boris a member of a Turkish gang then, though his family had contributed to the British society on a whole?

[anotheoldgit]

youngmafbog

/// Is Boris a member of a Turkish gang then, though his family had ///

Be fair YMB this is the other side of the apologist's coin, one side is "What amazing good immigration has done for this country" and the other side which they generally show when that isn't appropriate. they revert to lambasting some Tories or Royals for their foreign ancestry.

[Zeuhl]

/though his family had contributed to the British society on a whole?/

/lambasting /

I simply stated the fact that there is nothing new about Turks living in London and cut and pasted a piece of factual information about BJ as evidence

so any 'lambasting' is in your imagination aog assuming you know what it means

and ymb your written English is 'unusual'

Are you sure you're not both 'foreigners' yourselves? :-)

[Farriercm]

I often wonder if ymb ever watches tv or reads news papers, labour are not in power The Cons are , but hopefully not for much longer.

[anotheoldgit]

youngmafbog

Don't even waste your time responding, obviously we have hit a few raw nerves again, one can generally tell when they delve deeply in their 'insults box'.

[sp1814]

I'm always confused about this 'Noo Labour's immigration policy".

Should it not be "Noo Labour, Conservative and Liberal immigration policy"?!!

[sp1814]

AOG

Your question centred on Turkish gangs and Zeuhl pointed out that Turks have been in London for a long time, and that their EU status wasn't really relevant here.

Just to clarify - is this thread really about why Turks are in London, or is it about something else?

[Zeuhl]

/hit a few raw nerves again, one can generally tell when they delve deeply in their 'insults box'. /

LOL aog

the only 'nerve' you and ymb hit is my 'don't suffer fools gladly' nerve :-)

no delving required really!

[SeaJayPea]

Foreign aog? Where does it state in that article that either of the killers is foreign? Their paymasters may have been, but there's no suggestion I can see that they themselves are other than British.

[retrocop]

They might be British passport holders but they are not British.

[SeaJayPea]

Sorry retrocop. What does that mean?

[ummmm]

Maybe they don't have a stiff upper lip....

[New Judge]

I think what retrocop means is that a dog born in a stable cannot call itself a horse.

[sp1814]

SeaJayPea

Good point.

AOG - is it not possible that they were born here?

I know the article refers to Turkish gangs, but that could very well mean that their families are from Turkey, but that the convicted are British (despite the semantic wrangling that may be employed to deny whatever appears on their passports and their background).

[sp1814]

New Judge

My parent are Jamaican.

I consider myself British, in that I've never been to Jamaica, have a London accent, spend my days in Reiss and M&S suits, support England in the World Cup and Team GB in the Olympics.

What would people of your generation call me?

And how many generations would a family have to be here before they could call themselves British?

[SeaJayPea]

Incidentally, many of the Turkish people who live near me, and the Greeks too for that matter, have been in this country since long before even we joined the EU. They came here from Cyprus when various parts of British industry and commerce were actively recruiting people from that Commonwealth country in the 1950s and 60s.

The people convicted in this case are not Turkish, nor do they appear to be from Turkish families. Marsh-Smith is hardly a Turkish name.

[sp1814]

SeaJayPea

I fear that this thread will 'go cold'...