Prince Charles - Radicalisation Of British Muslims

[agchristie]

What do you think of his views on this matter?

Could the Princes Trust play a key role in preventing young people being radicalised and also what about 'protector of other faiths' in multicultural Britain?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11398106/Prince-Charles-My-fears-of-radicalisation-of-young-British-Muslims.html

[boxtops]

I think the POW shares the same fears as many of us about radicalisation. He's always been interested in Islam but in his position can't really say too much, as the next Head-in-waiting of the Church of England.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Prince Charles passionately emphasised how we should treat each other, whatever our faith, so we can live side by side in a safe environment.” ///

Try telling that to the followers of Islam.

[Marshwarble]

I think you mean extreme followers of Islam, AOG.

[boxtops]

Yes, AOG - the millions of followers of Islam who are "normal people" do live peacefully side by side.

[anotheoldgit]

So strange that when other faiths including Christians are criticised, they are all bunched together as one, and yet it seems there are two different types of those who follow Islam, and that is the radicals and the peaceful, and yet until they actually do harm one cannot difference between the two.

[THECORBYLOON]

A NOTHEOLDGIT, anyone has the potential to be a criminal or commit dreadful acts. Do you think on all your male pals and relatives as being potential rapists? After all, until they commit rape, how can you tell the difference?

[anneasquith]

what does ' he's always been interested in islam '' actually mean ?

[tamborine]

"You think that the people who have come here, born here, go to school here, would abide by those values and outlooks. “

Close the mosques, they have abused our trust by entrenching 'death to infidels' in young minds.

[agchristie]

@ anneasquith

I'm not exactly sure but if/when he becomes King, he would be 'protector of all faiths'.

@ tamborine

Wonder how many new applications for planning permission nationally for Mosques are currently being considered?

[naomi24]

The idea of protecting faiths encourages division.

Perhaps unwittingly, parents often sow the seeds of radicalisation in childhood. Like any of us, in religion, politics, and practically every other area of life, we’re raised to believe as our parents believe. In the current climate if parents are teaching their children that Islam is the only way, that it takes precedence over everything else including patriotism, and that politically Muslims have been and are being mistreated by the western world, those opinions being reinforced by imams and faith schools, it is not difficult to understand why young people take that teaching to the extreme, so I think fundamentally the problem emanates from the home and from the inflexible ideology of the religion itself.

[retrocop]

agchristie
I have Western Europe's largest Mosque just down the road from me in an adjoining London Borough. I continually see planning applications in our local newspaper to build another Mosque, would you believe, by converting a closed down public house nearby. The Borough in which I reside and the adjoining Borough are by no means the largest of London Boroughs so why the need for more Mosques?

[tamborine]

Its rumoured that planners have difficulty in refusing development of sect schools & worship venues, even on greenbelt. I know of muslim, sikh schools & worship venue developments won recently on gbelt. Strength in numbers was more than the locals.

[Baldric]

I'm usually a supporter of our Royals, but I honestly think Prince Charles is about as much use as a Chocolate Fireguard.
His use-by date has long gone and he's still only a Trainee!

[chrissa1]

The Royal Family doesn't have a "use by" date, Baldric. He is next in line to the throne. Would you rather William became King?

[Gromit]

Radicalising is done over the internet, not in Mosques. The hate preachers who first inspired al qaeda distributed video tape recordings. Those are now easily accessed on the www. Mosques are not the source of the radicalisation.

But people opposed to all Islam, not just the extremist kind, want to ban or curtail mosques, not because of what they wrongly imagine happens inside them, but because they of what they represent, the change to a multi-faith country.

[agchristie]

@ Naomi

In effect then it is hard to see how any radicalisation programme could work? If the problems are more rooted at home and that Islam itself overrides everything and that those views are reinforced by Imams and schools then it is surely an insuperable task?

We don't really have a clear idea of numbers of people already radicalised either.

@ retrocop

Interesting. I do wonder if all factors are sufficiently taken into account when approvals are made and the knock on effect to the public, parking, etc. I made this point several months ago with regard to consent given to another mosque in the Medway area.

[Gromit]

// The Borough in which I reside and the adjoining Borough are by no means the largest of London Boroughs so why the need for more Mosques? //

Just like there are many different denominations of Christian, then there are several cariants on muslims. The chances are that the ones worshipping in the former public house are not the same kind of muslims as the ones in the SuperMosque. Your town probably has a dozen or more churches. You may ask why so many, especially as many of them are under used?

[agchristie]

@ Gromit

Many people see change[i as more of a [i]threat]

[naomi24]

agchristie, //it is surely an insuperable task?//

Until we recognise and acknowledge that Islam itself is at the heart of the problem and stop making excuses for it and for its adherents, yes I think it is an insuperable task.

Gromit, //Radicalising is done over the internet, not in Mosques.//

We had this conversation recently, and that statement was demonstrated to be false. Whilst the internet is certainly a powerful tool in the radicalisation of young people, mosques, schools, and universities are not without responsibility. As strange as it may seem people do talk to each other beyond the world of cyber, you know.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// Radicalising is done over the internet, not in Mosques. ///

You seem to speak with some experience Gromit, are you a regular attender at Mosques throughout the country?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/23/father-jihadists-sons-radicalised-cardiff-popup-schools

*** Privately, some Muslim leaders in Cardiff criticise the al-Manar centre, claiming it has given a platform for extremist views, such as those of the Saudi preacher Mohammed al-Arifi, who has called for the overthrow of the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria. ***

*** Al-Arifi preached at the mosque in 2012 and has since been banned from the UK for his extremist stance. ***