Do The British People Fear Fascism Is Spreading Across The World In Wake Of Donald Trump Victory?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/fascism-spreading-across-world-bmg-poll-trump-brexit-le-pen-wilders-petry-a7492981.html

This 'exclusive' study shows half of Britons believe fascist views are on the rise in the US, UK and Europe.

How can they possibly claim that?

Surely they mean that 50% of the people who bothered to vote in the BMG poll, thought so?

[Islay]

I believe it is on the rise.

[jim360]

You, err... you do know how polls work, right?

[mikey4444]

Even though I, and nearly everybody else thinks that Trump is bloody awful,
a fascist he is not.

Racist, stupid, misogynist, and simple-minded yes.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, the "claim" is based on responses from "a representative sample of 1,507 UK adults online between 1st & 5th December. Data are weighted. BMG are members of the British Polling Council and abide by their rules." It is based on a wee bit more than folk being bothered to vote.

[mushroom25]

//Racist, stupid, misogynist, and simple-minded yes. //

the first three, conceded on the basis of simple observation. but on what do you base the 4th? according to Forbes, with a net worth of over $4billion, he'll be one of the richest presidents in US history. you don't become that by being "simple minded".

[Togo]

Anybody done an analysis on the "people" (representative sample haha) who could be bothered to vote, or were notified of such a poll, or were perhaps desperate to have their views "officially" recognised. If anything fascism is on the wane, what with the hard left and "Liberal" fascists being sent back to first base to have another think.

[Zacs-Master]

1507 people is 0.0025% of the UK population. Hardly representative.

[Islay]

Yes but mushroom, has he just banked the monies given to him as him inheritance he would still have the same amount of money.

So all that 'hard work' has not made him any better off!

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

/// ANOTHEOLDGIT, the "claim" is based on responses from "a representative sample of 1,507 UK adults online ///

/// It is based on a wee bit more than folk being bothered to vote. ///

Oh! and what would that "wee bit more" be if it wasn't completely down to a mere 1,507 out of approx. 50 million UK adults voting?

[THECORBYLOON]

You have quoted a YouGov poll of 1,906 adults in the past when posting a question about immigration, was that not representative either?

[THECORBYLOON]

Can we take it that from now on you will not be posting links to articles or research based on the outcomes of a poll using only a few thousand folk since they are not representative?

[New Judge]

Because a sample is relatively small (compared to the total population) it is not necessarily unrepresentative. There's all sorts of material available to explain minimum sample sizes, representation and the confidence you can place on the results secured from them. The trick is to take a random sample (where everybody in the total population has an equal chance of being selected). This sounds simple but it is not. In this particular case we are told it is an online poll. This immediately rules out anybody who does not use a computer and/or the internet. Since many older people do not use the internet it eliminates a disproportionate number of them from the selection. So it cannot be truly representative.

[douglas9401]

"You, err... you do know how polls work, right?"

Aye, you ask a certain number of people a certain number of questions, collect and analyse the data then come out with the wrong answer.

[THECORBYLOON]

From the British Polling Council site,

"How were the interviews conducted?

There are four main methods: in person, by telephone, online or by mail. Each method has its strengths and weaknesses. Telephone surveys do not reach those who do not have telephones. Email surveys reach only those people with Internet access. All methods depend on the availability and voluntary co-operation of the respondents approached; response rates can very widely. In all cases, reputable companies have developed statistical techniques to address these issues and convert their raw data into representative results (see points 3 and 4 above)."

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

/// You have quoted a YouGov poll of 1,906 adults in the past when posting a question about immigration, was that not representative
either? ///

I cannot bring to mind what particular thread you are referring to, but if you will be good enough to provide the said thread, so that we can see if you are not taking things out of context.

Regarding a poll on immigration, I think that the result of the referendum proved a true representation of the majority of the UK's population.

[mikey4444]

I work in this industry and while we try our hardest to be fair, it isn't always possible.

But I would be aware of any Poll that seeks to give the opinion of the whole adult population of Britain, based on a few hundred people.

And I wonder how many people had be asked a question with the word
"Fascism" in it, before they found someone who knew what it meant ?

[Zacs-Master]

NJ, you cannot possibly extrapolate that a 'disproportionate' number of elderly people in a 1507 sample have been excluded from the data supplied. Your just guessing. But thanks for agreeing with me in the end.

[sp1814]

AOG

This is how polls work.

It's a sample.

[sp1814]

AOG

Here's the poll you referred to:

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1411637.html

So - to clarify, what is your stance on polls?

Do you only accept their findings if they dovetail with your opinion?