Charles I: Downfall Of A King

[vetuste_ennemi]

Another fine piece of television showing that there are still tiny outposts of integrity and intellectual curiosity in the corrupt empire.

9.00 on BBC4 - first of a three-parter.

[JimF]

And there's strong speculation that, if/when the heir apparent ever does become king, he won't call himself Charles the anything:

https://www.google.com/search?ei=axglXaO3F9So8gLq9JaIDg&q=will+charles+be+charles+iii

[Peter Pedant]

well spotted Khandie
at the time there was only one - King Charles
but I presume he was referred to as you maj or sire
( henry VIII started your maj I think)
No one today refers to our liege lady as Elizabeth the second
even tho she clearly is (*)

the russian for elizabeth II is elizaveta windsora ( near enough )
and at skool I was so old that the history book referred only to Queen Elizabeth like Queen Anne or Stephen or Victoria

Now - James 1 kicked off as James I ( James I and VI actually) as unified king of england and scortland - the first titular act 1604 I think.

now everyone gets one - so some humourless dour scots told me that our liege lady should be Elizabeth I, II and I
that is the second of england the the first of scotland and the first of the united kingdom

and I was able to reassure him that there was a titular act of 1952 specifying that she was to be called Elizabeth II ( even tho')

the english have a rule for everything

remember The Madness of George III was filmed as The Madness of King George - as the americans were unable to understand they said that we didnt do the King bit a lot, and secondly it implied ( existential implication for those of a philosophical bent) that there were prequels Madness of King george II and Madness of King George I

[Hopkirk]

In the same way that Victoria was her regnal name. Until then she was known as Alexandrina.

[Peter Pedant]

// And there's strong speculation that ......//
there is strong counter speculation that he WILL be Charles III and sonny will be WIlliam V

no change ever - it upsets the horses.

anyway we dont want a King Fanny do we?

[Peter Pedant]

jesus
yes I had forgotten that

that Victoria was Alexandrina

she had an idea that edward should be albert victor innit?
not around to enforce her iron will

[vetuste_ennemi]

Storm clouds disperse and light shines through.

Thank you, Pet. (No regnal number needed there, innit)

[Khandro]

v_e; Whilst sleeping, I see my assertion has gained support :0)

Claire Bloom yes, but don't forget Mary Ure as Alison;

"Alison Porter : I suppose none of this could ever really have worked. I do love you Jimmy, I shall never love anyone as I love you, but I can't go on, I can't take part in all this suffering, I can't.

Jimmy Porter : It's no good fooling about with love you know. You can't fall into it like a soft job without dirtying up your hands. It takes muscle and guts. If you can't bear the thought of messing up your nice, tidy soul, you better give up the whole idea of life and become a saint, because you'll never make it as a human being. It's either this world... or the next."

Oh boy!

[vetuste_ennemi]

Give me a break, Khandro. I wasn't speaking in praise of Pinter, only of the actors.


I mentioned Miss Ure because her first husband was Robert Shaw.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Did I say Pinter? (No, that was the bloke who ditched Vivien merchant for Lady Antonia whatsit.)

Playwright I'm referring to is John Osbourne.

[Peter Pedant]

Robert Shaw - he was in Love from USSR 1964 - as the russian agent ( Capt Nash) oppo James Bond
Nash - eet means "Ours" in Roshan - watch out Shems!
and he does - nash later chooses a red to go weez fish

and John Osbourne - he has a bit part in Get Carter 1968 - shot frooda bonce in the final scene by a fellow traveller in the first scene. (" I want a bloody full glass!") -

are they both in it ?

Hey did you hear of the clanger this am
Sir John Major for it is he - on the cat fight last night between BoBo and Hunt.....

proroguing parliament last done by Charles II in 1640s and it ended badly .....

dear dear that was Charles I - that goes to show what happens when a bus drivers son becomes prime minister instead of an Old Etonian

and Chas deux DOES prorogue parliament in the exclusion crisis in 1683 innit? and then goes on to govern alone - after parliament is held in Oxford.... and things end badly wiv James II

I think - just saying

[Peter Pedant]

Pinter Osbourne
Leddy Antonia

dont think we didnt ..... notice Vet

more attn to detail and less repeating side splitting well used one liners about PP please !

[Khandro]

'Get Carter', a great film, one of my Desert Island choices. I particularly like the pub-scene with the lady singing, " I love New York in June, how about you?" which ends with a unseemly punch-up on the floor between the singer and a jealous wife.

"Yeah, they do it like that up north."