Witold Pilecki

[allenlondon]

Remember his name.

Unremembered heroes. Women and men driven to almost unbelievable acts of heroism, forgotten by most of us.

One such: Witold Pilecki, a Polish resistance fighter who broke IN to Auschwitz to expose the Nazi regime.

His story, in brief:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jan/22/the-volunteer-jack-fairweather-review

He was executed by Polish 'communists' after the war on trumped-up charges. His last wish:

"I've been trying to live my life so that in the hour of my death I would rather feel joy, than fear."

Makes me feel proud and ashamed at the same time.

A

[Peter Pedant]

// Charles Coward said he broke into Auschwitz, //
not impossible
and if someone didnt but still told the truth about what was going on - is he deceiving people?

this fella I thought lived in the sewers of Lodz ( Woodge) but in fact did it Lwow
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/24/nyregion/from-a-polish-sewer-war-memories.html
when Lwow was a 'prison city'. The germans pioneered the concept. The whole city was converted into a prison. The fella popped out of a sewer where he lived (!) and joined a prison detail. Then at the end of the day broke from the batallion and popped down his sewer again
Anyone not in a prison barracks was shot.

so it was possible to get in and out. That pole died in 1948.

'When I have lived amongst such evils - I count my death a gain' Antigone l 350. [450BC]

[allenlondon]

Mamya. Come off it, pal. Don’t you ever get just a little exasperated with the lack of interest in anything serious?

[jno]

and if someone didnt but still told the truth about what was going on - is he deceiving people?

in a word, yes. I don't doubt it was possible to get in. The question was whether he did it, or just used a death camp for self-aggrandisement.

I don't know the answer, though.

[Mamyalynne]

No Allen, this is a website - some people reply and others read, some ask questions and others try to answer them.

[ynnafymmi]

A good book you should read,Allen is "The victims of Yalta".It might give you a bit of perspective about your so called socialist heroes.

[ynnafymmi]

Not that i have anything against Joseph Stalin or Koba as my mam and dad affectionately called him.He was a victim of circumstances.He was a bad b*s*a*d,but not as bad as he was painted.

[Peter Pedant]

no he as bad as he was portrayed
one death is a tragedy - a million deaths is a statistic
( uncle Joe in case you hadnt guessed)

the death of stalin on various media - is WELL worth a look
( " no need to make a comedy out of respected leader's death" - sergei khruschev sone of Nikita - oh god that should be sergei nicolaevitch innit? )

[Peter Pedant]

// just used a death camp for self-aggrandisement.
//

didnt work - or never worked. Midsixties the Beeb were full of marxist nonsense and televised the trials of Sinyavsky and Daniel and also the Trials of Joel Brand - - 1966 ish

real story here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Brand

no one believed him, it didnt work and there was no aggrandisment

[ynnafymmi]

Yet again Peter,thank you for your input.Anyone out there got an app that can decipher PPs ramblings?

[allenlondon]

ynna (etc).

You are obviously a complete idiot.

Read my original posting. Pilecki wasn’t a socialist hero! Stop inventing things.

He was a hero of the Polish resistance, murdered by the post-war ‘communist’ regime in Poland.

Invent all you like, but don’t include me in your fantasies.

Oh, and the key to Peter’s ramblings isto have a brain.

[jno]

PP, it was Charles Coward I was talking about re self-aggrandisement.

[naomi24]

Mamyalynne, thank you.

Allen, //My "not being Jim Royled" is I would have thought understood by 99.9% of the readership to mean "not being PASSED [without the P]".//

Perhaps the odd 0.01% don’t share your penchant for espousing the Neanderthal world of 1960s gangland when you speak. You’ve referred to Mamyalynne as ‘pal’ and you've done the same to me in the past. That doesn't make you a big man, Allen. Quite the opposite.

On to the OP which, since this man didn’t break into Auschwitz but allowed himself to be captured, is misleading. Similarly, the link - which I have read - raises questions, not least about just how much the allies actually knew.

As for your astonishingly arrogant admonishment of your fellow ABers, I have to wonder what would have happened had the allies shared your disdain for war in favour of your oft-trumpeted pacifism. Fat lot of good that would have done! Perhaps your shame is not misplaced.

[allenlondon]

I'm never sure, naomi, whether it's your pomposity or general stupidity that gets up my Jim Royle.

Maybe both.

[naomi24]

Are you sure you know what ‘Jim Royle’ means? The last time I asked I was told it meant not being bothered. Now it’s something that my pomposity - or it could be my stupidity - encroaches upon. Stick to the schoolyard, Allen.

[allenlondon]

Curious combination, well worthy of Victoria Woods (who would have understood what being Jim Royled meant).

Margaret Thatcher, Mrs Bouquet, with a touch of Patricia Routledge doing Kitty.

Gives us all a laugh, anyway.

[naomi24]

So speaks the man who claims he wants a serious discussion and considers others here brainless. :o)

[allenlondon]

Up your Jim Royle seems appropriate. But as you don’t recognise the Neanderthal 60s phrase (what an odd and inaccurate criticism) it will mean little to you.

A

[naomi24]

Ooo ... that's the third definition. This is fascinating. Any more?

[allenlondon]

Gord. In ‘The Royle Family’, the character Jim Royle (a lazy work-shy scallywag, prone to drinking lager out of cans and scratching his nether regions), used to say (for example) “Workshy my [p]ass,” “nether regions my [p]ass,“ and so on. Omit the p.

Hence ‘My Jim Royle’ as a sort of euphemism for one’s [p]ass, (omit the p). As our dear Queen might say.

[Atheist]

Mamya, I think you meant 'uninterested'.