Capital Punishment

[Barsel]

I know there has been a lot said about the Wayne Couzens case and how some have spoken about Capital Punishment, but I have just looked somewhere else where this is being discussed and the overwhelming number of people are agreeing to it, and I mean overwhelming.
It would be really interesting to see how many Abers agree or disagree with it and why.
Also, does anyone know if there are petitions for this?

[andy-hughes]

I disagree with it for reasons outlined at length on the appropriate threads.

[Mamyalynne]

A definite no from me.

This is a bit dark for CB isn't it.

[Barsel]

Yes I remember some of what you said Andy and if I remember correctly, you were not agreeable to it.
To save me reading through it all again, could you highlight your reasons please?
I would appreciate it.

[Barsel]

Sorry Mamya, I never know where to post some things.
I don't consider it dark though as I feel it is an important subject to discuss.
If you tell me where you think it should be moved to, I could always ask the Ed.

[THECORBYLOON]

I have asked the ED to move it to News

[Mamyalynne]

If you are going to contact Ed anyway, ask her - Current Affairs??

Maybe ask her for a Poll.

[THECORBYLOON]

CB is for "natter and nonsense"... it'll be moved to an appropriate category.

[Barsel]

Corby, hope people don't start asking for a link which is what sometimes happens in news and there isn't one, it's just something I'm curious to know.

[Barsel]

Mamya I like the idea of a poll but I would be interested to know why people agree or disagree to it.

[Barsel]

I don't mind where it's moved to, but i think people have probably heard enough about it for the time being. perhaps I should have saved it for another time.

[THECORBYLOON]

Links are not mandatory anyway so don't worry about that and the question explains what prompted it.

[Barsel]

Corby, I don't think this will attract many answers but i would just like to post this that somebody said about it as I feel it was well said.

//Wayne Couzens actions have made and underlined the strongest case possible for the return of Capital Punishment. Couzens not only kidnapped Sarah, and raped, and murdered her, he hid her body, and later returned to defile her body, and burn it just as though it was worthless rubbish. The very tools that he used to start this process were his Metropolitan Police Warrant Card and his service handcuffs. How this piece of sub human excrement was ever considered fit to be an Armed Protection Officer, needs some explaining, the Head of the Metropolitan Police, Cressida Dick needs to explain why NO action had been taken against Couzens, over his multiple incidents of indecent exposure. Sarah's family have been defiled yet again every day, they have sat through this catalogue of Couzens depravity, their suffering and courage is beyond comprehension. Please consider their suffering, don't keep Couzens alive for thirty or forty years, he above anybody deserves Capital Punishment.//

[andy-hughes]

Barsel - // Yes I remember some of what you said Andy and if I remember correctly, you were not agreeable to it.
To save me reading through it all again, could you highlight your reasons please?
I would appreciate it. //

It boils down to my belief that Capital Punishment is rooted in the entirely understandable emotion of revenge.

I find it ironic that a 'punishment' for someone killing someone else, is to kill them.

Therefore it is clearly not a 'punishment' in the accepted sense of the word, and I believe it is nothing of a deterent, and as such, it has no place in a civilised society.

Clearly society needs to protected from any murderer, so incarcertion will fulfil that requirement.

[Mamyalynne]

My personal view is - from a very early age, I have always felt that should I take the life of another then I wouldn't deserve to live myself.

Therefore, whether individually or as part of a collective I could never vote in favour of the death penalty.

Through all that I've seen and been through since then my viewpoint hasn't changed.

[andy-hughes]

Barsel - // the Head of the Metropolitan Police, Cressida Dick needs to explain why NO action had been taken against Couzens, over his multiple incidents of indecent exposure. //

Because the one confirmed instance that could have been linked to him was not investigated to a proveable conclusion.

[naomi24]

It’s a yes from me.

If this is moved perhaps Society & Culture would be more appropriate. Beats being hidden in a sub-section where few look.

[Mamyalynne]

Yes - S&C would be better.

[Barsel]

Andy, you don't consider death to be a punishment, which means you do consider being jailed for life is?
That is where we differ as I see being jailed for life as just a different place to live.
You get 3 meals a day, somewhere to sleep, probably easier to see a doctor, presume there are things to do, activities watching TV, wi-fi. How is that classed as a punishment.
I don't know if you have daughters, I have 3, and I know for sure that if anything happened to my daughters like this, I would much prefer that person no longer resided on this planet.
Not revenge, but just peace of mind for me and my family and the rest of the country who would like to live in peace.

[Canary42]

///You get 3 meals a day, somewhere to sleep, probably easier to see a doctor, presume there are things to do, activities watching TV, wi-fi. How is that classed as a punishment. ///

A myth. And anyway, as an ex-cop Couzens will go through hell.

[Barsel]

Mamya, I first agreed in Capital Punishment after the Moors Murders.
It was the first time I felt that I would gladly stand those 2 scrotes up against a wall and shoot them.
I think the ending of the death penalty had just been passed before this happened.
It's understandable that people will worry that some were hung in the past and then found to be not guilty, but if we know for sure that someone is guilty and if we have a death row where people can be kept until there is no doubt, then I am all in favour, not of hanging or beheading but a simple sure way of ending that evil persons life.