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What Kind Of A Man Was Churchill?
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Togo @ 20.31:
"The debts to the avaricious yanks, incurred trying to stop Hitler, were finally paid in full during the leadership of another great Britain. Mrs Thatcher."
You make it sound like the lunatic Thatcher paid it all off in one go. The debt was incurred by Churchill.
I'm still trying to find these "finest hours" that have been mentioned. Dunkirk? Norway? Dieppe? HMS Hood? The Channel Dash? Not to mention the debacle in Hong Kong and Singapore and the Far East. Churchill had his work cut out to maintain public morale in the face of all those failures. He was able to do that until the Yanks came riding to the rescue and win the war from the West.
Victory came from the Americans. That's the reality and people don't like it.
"The debts to the avaricious yanks, incurred trying to stop Hitler, were finally paid in full during the leadership of another great Britain. Mrs Thatcher."
You make it sound like the lunatic Thatcher paid it all off in one go. The debt was incurred by Churchill.
I'm still trying to find these "finest hours" that have been mentioned. Dunkirk? Norway? Dieppe? HMS Hood? The Channel Dash? Not to mention the debacle in Hong Kong and Singapore and the Far East. Churchill had his work cut out to maintain public morale in the face of all those failures. He was able to do that until the Yanks came riding to the rescue and win the war from the West.
Victory came from the Americans. That's the reality and people don't like it.
Typical youtube clickbait.
"Boar War"? lol. I will assume these are automated subtitles, but it made me smile.
I've watched enough of that to know who the "idiot" is.
Classic case of someone taking a controversial stance and twisting and selecting facts to back it up.
I won't add to the sensible stuff by jourdain etc already posted.
I have often thought Churchill and Johnson in fact may well have more in common than people admit or realise. There is more than a bit of "idiot" in the latter but I always thought that, like Churchill, he may well have been -- and possibly was - a man for a specific crisis. It was the dull stuff he couldn't handle.
"Boar War"? lol. I will assume these are automated subtitles, but it made me smile.
I've watched enough of that to know who the "idiot" is.
Classic case of someone taking a controversial stance and twisting and selecting facts to back it up.
I won't add to the sensible stuff by jourdain etc already posted.
I have often thought Churchill and Johnson in fact may well have more in common than people admit or realise. There is more than a bit of "idiot" in the latter but I always thought that, like Churchill, he may well have been -- and possibly was - a man for a specific crisis. It was the dull stuff he couldn't handle.
"Victory came from the Americans. That's the reality and people don't like it."
Sure: when Churchill said "Give us the tools and we will get on with the job" what he really meant - and he knew it - was "America, you must join the war or we're ****ed".
But if he'd said that he would have been ... an idiot.
Sure: when Churchill said "Give us the tools and we will get on with the job" what he really meant - and he knew it - was "America, you must join the war or we're ****ed".
But if he'd said that he would have been ... an idiot.
I have read a great deal about WSC including that written by him. I
always feel the better view of the Great man is one written by others who were close to him and wrote a decent book. Two are foremost for me. The first was by Viscount Alan Brooke who cheered him onwards and held him back in equal measure. He knew his faults and he saw his greatness. The other was by his police protection officer who went everywhere with him. Saw and heard everything but rarely spoke aloud. Fascinating biography. In my view he is best and correctly summed up by Mr Clarion - cometh the hour cometh the man. He was what we needed then, not before or after but then.
always feel the better view of the Great man is one written by others who were close to him and wrote a decent book. Two are foremost for me. The first was by Viscount Alan Brooke who cheered him onwards and held him back in equal measure. He knew his faults and he saw his greatness. The other was by his police protection officer who went everywhere with him. Saw and heard everything but rarely spoke aloud. Fascinating biography. In my view he is best and correctly summed up by Mr Clarion - cometh the hour cometh the man. He was what we needed then, not before or after but then.
12:06: "I know you would find it hard to believe, i started this thread to get other peoples opinions not trash that great man!!!! " - rubbish, you started it with a video trashing TGM then basically invited the AB 5C contingent to do the same. Have the guts at least to not try and swerve what is obvious.
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