On This Day In History..... 2001

[ToraToraTora]

Islamic nation dragged itself kicking and screaming into the 7th century. The Grand National Assembly of Turkey ratified changes to the country's legal code that made women equal to men before the law and no longer subject to their husbands. Bet that's cheered you up eh girls!

[barry1010]

Britain wasn't far in front.  Women couldn't open a bank account in their own name until 1975.

Single women earning high incomes needed their father's signature to get a bank loan 50 years ago.

 

[ToraToraTora]

have a day off barry, that's not comparable to Islamic treatment of women.

[Old_Geezer]

See barry, things were done right when we were younger, and those fun minded ladies (bless them) saved from making regrettable errors due to the protection of their menfolk checking things over for them. Look how vulnerable they've become now 😥

[naomi24]

Barry, I'm pretty sure women could have their own bank account before 1975.  

[barry1010]

They could, Naomi, with their father's permission and signature if single, husband's if married.

[barry1010]

Before 1992 it was not illegal for a husband to rape his wife in the UK.

 

[naomi24]

Ok.

[naomi24]

With their current President they could well be in the process of going backwards.  

[barry1010]

Yes, I agree with you there, Naomi.

[ladybirder]

How did I get a mortgage in 1972 then?

[ladybirder]

Anybody?

[barry1010]

I don't know, lb.  How did you get a mortgage in 1972?

[Peter Pedant]

 did I see the modicator write 'OK' - I will have to take a scren thingey !

oh and something everyone knows - they have recently gone back - turks, re-establishing Sharia

Erdogan ( bit like Trump or wilders) quoted the qurqn to the masses and got it wrong ( he is turkish and not an arab)

[Peter Pedant]

I went along a building society and said I had a deposit and wanted to buy a leetle palace

and they said we have a new fango gadget called a endowment, do one of them.... so I did

and the fella got a leetle commission check even after he retired!

that's how

how I hanker after The Good Olde Days!

 

[ladybirder]

Well I had my own bank account for a start or I would never have got a mortgage.  Nobody signed for me.  Plus I had four children to look after. I do know I was offered 3 x annual salary but because of the children I decided on 2.5 x.  

 

[barry1010]

Our uncle had to play a part in my sister's mortgage even though she earned more than him and was a teacher. It wasn't until the late 70s she was able to remortgage independently.  She had a 20% deposit.

[ladybirder]

Perhaps they were more enlightened where I lived. 

[THECORBYLOON]

It might well be that some women were able to open an account in their name without any additional requirements but the 1975 Sex Discrimination Act outlawed discrimination in various matters including banking.

 

"29 Discrimination in provision of goods, facilities or services

(1) It is unlawful for any person concerned with the provision (for payment or not) of goods, facilities or services to the public or a section of the public to discriminate against a woman who seeks to obtain or use those goods, facilities or services—

(a) by refusing or deliberately omitting to provide her with any of them, or

(b) by refusing or deliberately omitting to provide her with goods, facilities or services of the like quality, in the like manner and on the like terms as are normal in his case in relation to male members of the public or (where she belongs to a section of the public) to male members of that section.

(2) The following are examples of the facilities and services mentioned in subsection (1)—

...

(c) facilities by way of banking or insurance or for grants, loans, credit or finance;...."

 

[Sven666]

barry1010 – “Britain wasn't far in front…”

Wow.  Just wow.

We weren’t far in front of Islamic countries with regards to women’s rights?  Is that what you’re claiming?

OK.  Where to start.  Oh, I don’t know… let’s start with property rights.  A woman could own her own property without the involvement of a man in 1870.  Equal pay?  1970.  Divorce their husbands? 1857.

I could go on.  However, now let’s look at Islam with regards to women’s rights.  Oh, that’s right.  They barely have any whatsoever.  They’re routinely stoned to death for alleged adultery in some Islamic countries.  Meaning that they’re buried up to the neck in the ground and then men throw large stones at their heads until they’re dead.  Lovely eh?  Many women in Islamic societies cannot even leave their own house without a male chaperone.  They’re forced to cover themselves from head to toe in dark garb when in public.  Why?  To prevent themselves from being raped.  Because rape, in Islam, is the woman’s fault you see.  So let’s talk about rape.  Now, I know that the conviction rate for rape in the UK and other western countries is low but at least we have an actual conviction rate.  In many Islamic countries, there is no rape at all.  Well, no recorded rape at least.  They just don’t bother recording the crime and hey presto:  zero rape statistics! Genius.  Who knew that if you fail to record crime, no recorded crime exists?   And as for those Islamic countries that do accept that rape of women in their society happens, many of them require at least four witnesses to even begin an investigation.  Needless to say, recorded rape in the Islamic world is very low… I wonder why?

And yet, knowing all this (giving you the benefit of the doubt), are you seriously suggesting that the rights women in the ‘West’ enjoy are only just a few short years away from those practiced in Islamic nations? 

Surely, you cannot be that naive and/or stupid?

[naomi24]

^Good post - and just to add to it in cases of rape a Sharia court (which operate in this country too) I believe the four witnesses have to be male.  In other cases the evidence of one man equals that of two women.  Women aren't too bright you see.