�35mil!!!

[river]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7 037289.stm

Can you really justify �35million on restoring a boat?! Shouldn't the UK start living in the present as opposed to the past! There are plently more causes out there where �35 could make a HUGE difference but no lets restore a tudor boat!!!

[China Doll]

I think what it would make in revenue to the country would probably justify the expense.

[Tigress]

I remember when they dragged it out of the sea back in 1982. We watched it at school.

[carsonking]

I agree, spend the money on something worthwile, we have the thing on video, we can all see it, it is only a boat. Trouble is, the people who don't need money are usually the people who want our taxes spent on rubbish like this, as for the poor amongst us, we could put the money to better use.

[Avatar]

But the *HERITAGE* fund isnt there to assist poor people. Its to help preserve Britains long and glorious history for future generations.

[jake-the-peg]

You know what's special about the Mary Rose?

It isn't just kings and queens and bishops. The ship sunk with hundreds of ordinary people inside. We found their posessions, the places where they lived and slept and fought and died.

Before the Mary Rose we had maybe one or two original examples of the famous longbow of the period - afterwards we had dozens. It's an absolutely unique find and places everyday Tudor history in almost perfect context.

Not spending the equivilent of 50p per person in this country to save it would be an unimaginable cutural waste.

These sort of opportunities don't come along every day - If the Mary Rose is lost you'll never get another

[cambus]

Surely the Chinese, could build a cheap replica for us.

[jake-the-peg]

Yeah but I't be a load of junk!

Sorry - I'll get my coat

[Shadow Man]

Why don't the bloody French pay for it? They sank her!!!

[Whickerman]

lol shadow man

Folks - this is part of your history, and once it's gone it can never be replaced. Speaking as a citizen of a country whose govt is happy to bulldoze through national monuments to build a road, I can tell you each time you lose a little bit of your past you also lose a bit of your identity. You've been railroaded and 'educated' into believing being English (or for that matter British) is somehow a bad thing, but you should be clinging to every thread of your heritage. �35million is a lot of money. But in the grand scheme of things it's small change. Your grandchildren may never forgive this generation.

[paddywak]

well said Whickerman,its time people started to realise that the history of this country is what made us the people we are and that we should be proud of it. I know people dont agree with what a lot of the lottery money is spent on, and in a lot of cases I agree with them, but as Avatar rightly said the Heritage fund is specifically set aside for situation like this, to preserve the monuments to our and our forefathers achievements for future generations

[jake-the-peg]

Er actually she was sank by lousy English Seamanship as she was trying to get out of the harbour to get at the French.

Nobody is ever trying to tell you that being English or British is bad.

I and many other people think that excessive patriotism is bad - the "my country right or wrong mentality"

It's that mentality that tries to hijack our history and portray it as some kind of Hollywood epic depicting how brilliant we the British are.

Shakespere was a brute for it and it didn't stop after him - It's Jingoistic propaganda pure and simple and needs to be stopped.

Is that too hard for you? et me make it easier

British = Good
Patriotism = Dodgy
Jingoism = Bad

[Shadow Man]

peg leg, if I threw a knife at your head and your dived out of the way and hurt your little tootsies, would I be help responsible?

Yes!!!

As said bloody French should pay.

(anyway, Ithought the bad seamanship was just a theory)

[jno]

I think she sank because like the Herald of Free Enterprise they hadn't closed the doors. In this case the gun ports; the wind made her tilt and in came the sea. This suggests bad design rather than bad seamanship - ships shouldn't really tip over, especially sailing ships that depend on wind - but who knows.

[Dassie]

Well if the money comes from the Lottery Heritage fund then no problem, otherwise it would probably go to the Lawyers Fund for Illegal immigrants or some such non-deserving cause!

[paddywak]

Jake, I'm not saying we have to subscribe to the " my country" school of thought, but there is nothing wrong with being proud to be part of a nation that over the years has contributed so much in so many fields, often thru the endevours of ordinary men and women