God

[D.G.W.T.H.]

If God was all powerful, could he create a rock so big that even he couldn't move it?

[ll_billym]

I personally don't beleive in the existance of god. But this is an interesting debate. My own personal take on this is that everything moves at an atomic level, the little beggars are vibrating like mad. God created the laws of physics that govern this behaviour therefore if he decided to make a rock in this universe, no matter how big, then it would move from the instant it was created due to the forces that god applies to everything in this universe. Stopping it moving, now there's a problem for your god....

[ll_billym]

I personally don't believe in god but I think that this is an interesting debate. My take on it is that everything moves at an atomic level, the little beggars are vibrating like mad. God created the laws of physics that govern this type of behaviour. Therefore if god created a rock in THIS universe, no matter how big, it would always be moving due to the forces he ordained will be applied to it. OK, so he creates a rock so cold that all atomic activity has come to a standstill (not sure if this is possible as electrons would probably still orbit the nucleus but that's beside the point). So, he's made this really big cold rock, now earth is moving around the sun, the sun is moving as part of the expanding universe, etc, etc. So everything else in the universe is moving about, this means that the rock is moving as well, i.e. it's place in the the universe is changing relative to EVERYTHING around it. All movement is relative depending on where you are looking from. God, well he's everywhere so he only has to move the "everywhere" to move this rock, as all movement is relative and if everywhere is moving then the rock, in relation to everywhere else, is moving also. So creating and moving the rock is not a problem, stopping it may be though. I think all this going round in circles proves that physics isn't the best way to discuss your god.

[ll_billym]

Had to have another go... afterthoughts you know. Wish you could delete posts.

[el duerino]

this is what gets me though - if god relies on logic to run the universe, binds himself to logic, gives us the power of logic and lets us understand the universe through logic, why then would he ask us to believe in him through faith, which is for the most part illogical i.e. hope in something which we are fairly sure won't happen. It's like giving someone a hammer and asking him to saw a plank in half - the wrong tool for the job. as for the computers - hmm not satisfied. my point is - if god is supposed to be omnipotent, yet does not exist in my perception of the universe, is he omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient? there is a place he does not exist so technically he cannot be. so if we can conceive of him, he is limited by our conception, and if we cannot, he is not omnipresent and omnipotent.

[choppachilla]

i hope you fell dumb mr.d.g.w.t.h.

[D.G.W.T.H.]

I certainly do not feel dumb ( or as you write, "fell dumb")  as I have achieved exactly what I set out to do....prompt debate.

Thank you everybody for your opinions.  It has been enlightening to say the least.

 

D.G.W.T.H.