How Long Before Isis Joins The Un?

[venator]

We've seen it all before.

Today's terrorist is tomorrow's respected statesman.

ANC members routinely executed their enemies with "bracelets" - burning car tyres placed round their necks.

The IRA drilled peoples kneecaps with electric drills.

ISIS are more extreme, but do we think they could carve out a caliphate then seek international recognition?

[ummmm]

You can't compare IS with the IRA.

[waterboatman]

I agree ummmm.

[venator]

Of course not. It's related to individual cultures.

In Ireland, kneecapping produced the horror and revulsion they wanted for terror and publicity.

ISIS operate in a culture where beheading, stoning, and lashings over an extended period are normal. Their extremely efficient PR machine needs far more extreme practices.

[ummmm]

The IRA kneecapped naughty people. Not aid workers.

[douglas9401]

The mark of a fledgling humanitarian movement ummmm?

[mushroom25]

the IRA shot people who weren't of their religion.

is it naughty to be different to someone who wants to kill you?

[ummmm]

The IRA, imo, are abhorrent, I have no support for them, but I still don't think they can be compared with IS.

[Peter Pedant]

// The IRA kneecapped naughty people. Not aid workers.//

umm is all I can say.....part of the fol-de-rol the fun loving Irish put up with is that the IRA and UVL/UFF etc ran drugs rings and demanded the right to sell drugs exclusively on their patches. The people of Ireland put up with this and ignored it

and then they went around drilling those who were not er licensed to push drugs on their own grounds, and called it "Policing"

When Johnny Adair was internally exiled to Bolton ( control order I think). The doors of the bolton pubs were run by one particular man ( a certain JA actually ) and the area became saturated with drugs....There was less popular support than previously
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Adair

[Peter Pedant]

On a point of order - venator -
I think it was necklace, necklacing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

If you goggle ANC necklace some pretty gruesome photos turn up

Winnie - the " mother of the nation " was keen on this
and look what happened to her !

[jno]

the British fought American Indians by giving them blankets contaminated with smallpox. Depite this pioneering biological warfare they were allowed into the UN from Day One. There may be nations in the US with spotless pasts, but I can't think of any.

[jno]

*in the UN*

[mushroom25]

I assume you're talking about the siege of Fort Pitt, JNO?

whilst there is documentary evidence that the british handed Delaware delegates 2 blankets from the smallpox infirmary, it is generally thought that the local first nation people already had the disease. certainly the 2 delegates, turtle's heart and mamaltee, did not contract the disease and were still alive 5 years later to represent their people at Fort Stanwix.

[Peter Pedant]

erm the giving of small pox blankets was 1764 innit ?

David McCallum Man from UNCLE and Ducky in NCIS was in a black and white film about that ( fifties )

its is propaganda isnt it? Like the Huns eating babies in Liege in August 1914

[Peter Pedant]

jno // Depite this pioneering biological warfare they were allowed into the UN from Day One. //

Sorry - good try but untrue
The Spartans in the Peloponnesian war allowed refugees to go to Athen but not out of it as it crowded the city then in the grip of Purpura (Plague) 300BC or thereabouts

and in 1345 the fun loving huns would catapult the dead from Plague INTO cities

are two examples that spring to mind

[venator]

Lots of good points here, thanks, but no opinions on the future of ISIS.

Does anyone think this group, better funded and with better PR than ever tha ANC had, will eventually be seen as the respectable freedom fighters who found a new state?

Peter Pedant you're right - Winnie Mandela was fond of necklaces!

[Pete65]

And what religion is/was the IRA?
It was not, and never has been, a religious grouping.

[ummmm]

Really, Peter?

IRA are Catholic...fact.

[SirOracle]

Pete 65. You are flogging a dead horse here. The average British person has been so brainwashed by the British press that they believe that ; The IRA are Catholic and only the IRA committed the atrocities such as knee capping etc.

The facts do not support these fictions. You don't need to scratch a person very deeply to expose bigotry.

[Pete65]

I agree, SirOracle.
Religion plays absolutely no part in IRA philosophy. None!
The IRA existed to get rid of an invading power who terrorised and robbed Ireland for hundreds of years. Many Republican leaders, like Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmett etc, were non Catholics.

[sandyRoe]

It was Merlyn Rees, during his time as Secretary of State for NI, who dreamt up kneecapping with electric drills. It was a good piece of black propaganda but never actually happened.