Migrants To Be Forced To Have Their Fingerprints Taken.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207490/Ministers-use-force-migrant-fingerprints-Home-Office-agrees-coercion-used-border-officials.html

/// The European Council has warned that refusing to be fingerprinted could lead to migrants being placed in detention and returned to their home countries. ///

/// But it said that coercion should not be used against pregnant women or children. ///

At last it seems that the EU are finally waking up, and will be forcing migrants to be fingerprinted, but why should pregnant women and children be excluded, it is not harmful?

[mikey4444]

The forced finger-printing of children ?

What...in case they are naughty in School perhaps ?

[Zacs-Master]

The Greeks couldn't hold them at the border so how the heck are they going to 'coerce' them into being finger printed? Just not tough enough.

[Retrochic]

What is the difference between pregnant and non pregnant women? ( discarding the obvious) -having your prints taken is not harmful.

[agchristie]

//But it said that coercion should not be used against pregnant women//

Because we wouldn't want a miscarriage of justice would we?!

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// The forced finger-printing of children ?

What...in case they are naughty in School perhaps ? ///

No because they may belong to such a group as these.

https://insaneowl.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/child-soldiers.jpg

[anotheoldgit]

agchristie

Very droll, LOL

[Zacs-Master]

Best round en all up, put em in a cinema and bomb them AOG. Just to be in the safe side eh? Can't trust the blighters, what!

[retrocop]

When visiting my sister in Canada they decided to take us to Niagara falls and then cross the border into the U.S. to do some shopping in Buffalo N.Y. State. When our UK passports were shown at the immigration booth us Limeys were hustled into a building where we were subject to extensive questioning. We ALL had to fill in a lengthy Green form including my two sons aged 9yrs and 11yrs declaring we were not members of a terrorist organisation and were not [planning any terrorist activities in the States.
I would not have or expect the US immigration to protect their borders and keep their citizens safe any differently and would of gladly supplied dabs,kids and all.!!!

[douglas9401]

Surely 'will lead to migrants being placed in detention and returned to ther home countries' would be better and while we're at it, no papers, no conversation would get the message across quicker.

[Old_Geezer]

Fingerprint taking is what is done to criminals. I'm not sure I want to lump all migrants into that category. Too much Big Brother. The issue is to keep tabs on them in a more civilised manner, and ensure only valid cases get entry into the first country they reach in the first place. And of course not to be so utterly stupid as to have open borders.

[whiskeryron]

// I would not have or expect the US immigration to protect their borders and keep their citizens safe any differently and would have gladly supplied dabs,kids and all.!!! //

Hear Hear

[Zacs-Master]

Douglas, not sure why you've quoted something that's not in the article. It says 'could' not 'would'. Big difference.

[douglas9401]

Mine was real world alternative, Zacs Master, as opposed to the usual wishy washy pants crafted to give no offence.

Hope that helps.

[Baldric]

This one 'Naughty enough' for you Mikey?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/14/new-isis-video-appears-to-show-child-executioner-killing-alleged-russian-spies/

[New Judge]

“Fingerprint taking is what is done to criminals. I'm not sure I want to lump all migrants into that category.”

Let me try to explain the situation again then. The majority of people entering the UK from France and other safe countries are criminals in that they have entered the UK “without leave” which is a specific offence. Asylum seekers are absolved from such offences associated with illegal entry provided they present themselves to the authorities without delay at the first opportunity in the first safe haven they find themselves. Their “Get Out of Jail Free” card is void if they fail to do this.
When arrested on suspicion of a criminal offence in the UK people are usually fingerprinted and have a DNA sample taken. This is before conviction. So it is not unreasonable, therefore, to take fingerprints of those arriving here illegally (or indeed of the very few that do arrive here legally – that is direct from a place where they are in jeopardy). I imagine the situation is the same in other EU countries. Certainly the same rules for claiming asylum prevail and imagine most have a law which prevents arrival without leave. So only those who arrive directly from a country where they are under threat and who claim asylum immediately are free of the label of “criminals”.
It is important to have some means of positively identifying people who arrive in Europe because, once they arrive they are granted virtually free rein to roam across the continent (certainly across all of the Schengen Area). For the rules on the treatment of asylum seekers to be properly applied it is necessary to be able to say when and where they arrived. Since none of them have papers fingerprinting is a good way of achieving this and it should be done immediately they step off HMS Bulwark or whatever other European vessel has plucked them out of the drink a few miles off the coast of Libya. These people, we are told, are fleeing the threat of death, injury and persecution. Having their dabs taken should not therefore trouble them - including pregnnt women and children - too much.

[Svejk]

You have to give your prints to work on most building sites, today. Not particularly happy about it but it doesn't seem to be considered such a big deal nowadays.
Of course, you have a choice whether you work on site or not. But the same could be said for immigrants, could it not?

[youngmafbog]

About ruddy time too.

Europe needs to get tougher or it will sink under a deluge of migrants. Keep helping them like we are will simply encourage more to come. And most are not escaping war zones they are simply economic migrants.

[Old_Geezer]

The article is about migrants not criminals.
Fingerprinting should trouble everyone. It would certainly trouble me.

[Davemano]

OG You were the first to mention criminals. Fingerprinting is an excellent start and its a pity it has to stop at migrants, but might assist in stopping the scroungers using bogus identities for financial gain.

[New Judge]

"The article is about migrants not criminals."

As I think I have explained, OG, those entering the UK without leave who arrive from a safe country are criminals. Large numbers of those arriving in Greece and Italy (to which the article refers) are not genuine asylum seekers but economic migrants. There needs to be a way of identifying all of them so that those whose asylum claims eventually fail can be traced. The way for them to avoid the indignity of having their fingerprints taken is to travel with valid papers.

If people from Africa and elsewhere want to arrive uninvited and unannounced in Europe they must expect a few formalities to be undertaken upon arrival. Many countries I have visited take photographs of me when I arrive (with leave to do so). The UK takes a slightly different stance and photographs people leaving via airports. We all have to relinquish some of our freedoms when travelling abroad and migrants (whether arriving legitimately or not) must expect the same.