When Exactly Was Louise Haigh's Fraud Conviction Spent.

[barney15c]

Was Haigh still in office before her conviction was spent, how long is the period of dislosure  before it does not have to be disclosed?

[New Judge]

She was granted a Conditional Discharge and the period of disclosure is the length of that discharge (which can up to three years).

[youngmafbog]

Ah, but if you have a secure job (as she had) then security clearance means it never goes away and will need to be disclosed forever.  The record will not be wiped from PNC until she is 100 or dead.

I would hope all Government ministers have to undergo a NPPV3 at the very minimum and prefereable SC in addition.

[barney15c]

New Judge, was she an MP before her Offence was spent?

Haigh admitted she had pleaded guilty to fraud by false representation relating to misleading police in 2014 and was elected to Parliament on 7th July  2015, approximately a period of 6 months. I would doubt her conviction was spent by the time she became a politician. Was this disclosed when she was campaingning to be an MP?

[douglas9401]

Some MPs don't even declare all of their offspring never mind mislaid phones.

[youngmafbog]

Not declaring your offspring is not quite the same as declaring a conviction for fraud (We cant afford the paper to write them on with the shower in Parliament - all sides).  Which to be fair it seems SIR 2TK has know about for years as she told him.

 

[barney15c]

How long was Haigh's  conditional discharge?

[New Judge]

“New Judge, was she an MP before her Offence was spent?”

I don’t know because I don’t know when she was convicted (it might have been as early as 2nd January 2014) and I don’t know who long her Conditional Discharge was for. 

“Was this disclosed when she was campaingning to be an MP?”

Whether I was or wasn’t doesn’t matter. She was not required to do so. Candidates are not required to disclose any convictions (spent or unspent). The only thing in tthat respect which disqualifies a potential candidate from standing is if they are in custody (or at large) having been sentenced to twelve months or more. 

“I would hope all Government ministers have to undergo a NPPV3 at the very minimum and prefereable SC in addition.”

Any vetting they require after having been elected will depend on their post. I imagine all MPs will need security clearance to access Parliament, its computer systems as well as any other government buildings to which they require access. But these vetting and clearance processes (many of which will examine all convictions - spent and unspent) will not rely on the individual’s disclosure. Those carrying out the checks will have access to the necessary records. 

[youngmafbog]

Thye do NJ, but if you dont disclose it you are likley to be refused your clearance.

They get quite nasty.

[ynnafymmi]

Up here in Scotland there is still £600,000 missing(stolen?)from a certain political partys accounts,this stolen mobile phone down in England is chicken-feed compared to the corruption up here in Scotland.

[Peter Pedant]

I think it is the whole caboodle - mislaying a phone and reporting it stolen is 'OK' so  long as you say - ' my bad oops I have found it'

But  it sounds ( pun intended) as tho one  or  two or three were used - which makes you think they were sold on. ( Times today)

[jno]

I can only suppose there's a lot we aren't being told.

I was in a similar position to her - lost my passport, had to report the loss before I could get a new one, which I duly did. Months later I found the old one again. Did I think to alert the police? It never occurred to me for a second.

The only difference from Haigh's case was that I didn't use the old passport again; why would I, when I had a new one?  But the same might apply to Haigh - why on earth did she use the old one again? It doesn't seem she actually had anything to gain from what is supposedly deceit, except a spare phone.

So on the face of it, I have a lot of sympathy for her and suspect she's being trolled more by her own party than by the opposition. But as I say, there are a lot of holes in the story.

[Peter Pedant]

two boastful pages in the Times today

She lost three ( Haigh: did I?) and one was a works phone that was reused ( I DID wonder about billing) ringing the same numbers as Louisa

Aviva ( I mean wd you defraud an insurance co?) referred the matter to the police