Christian Logic

[LazyGun]

No question, just thought this video might amuse :)

Q."The bible says on the first day, god said "let there be light" - but he did not create the stars until day 4; so where did the light come from?

A. "Light doesn't come from the stars, it comes from the sun - duh"

Q. "But the sun is a star, though, so where did the light come from on, ermm,day one?

A. "God is Light" ... moving on quickly :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1sGhJd6qRM#t=269

[jim360]

This is of course a basic exercise in Logic -- with the wrong starting premises, one can prove anything in a perfectly logical sense. The problem is that the starting points were wrong, and therefore so is everything that follows.

[Old_Geezer]

Can't watch in work, :-( but it seems to me to be a simple explanation. The sun would have been created first and was therefore not considered a star at that point. The reference to stars was about 4 days later when many more were created a long way away in order to make the night sky pretty. Star/sun would be references to one's experience, not what they actually consisted of. The problem being in the translation/interpretation.

[LazyGun]

Thanks for the explanation O_G. I now believe in Creationism :)

He created the sun as a lamp so that he could focus on his work through his magnifying lenses, then created all the billions upon billions of other identical suns and galaxies later, probably after a refreshing cup of hot cocoa!

Its a nice rationalisation, I suppose.Still you could probably rationalise any absurdity if you try hard enough :)

[jno]

agree with OG: God may, for all I know, have struck a match, but the obvious (and perfectly logical) interpretation is that he created the sun. The sun wasn't categorised as a star when the Bible was written.

[jno]

ah well, now you're backing away from your original argument to say the whole thing's just loony anyway.

[LazyGun]

I am not backing away from anything, Jno. I was being sarcastic.The only way people can explain the logical absurdity of the creation story is by assumptive rationalisations.

And such absurdity proliferates and abounds in all religions. It would not be so bad if such absurdities were just cast off as knowledge improved, and to be fair for the most part that is the pattern we see, certainly with mainstream christianity, but not always.

[bazwillrun]

Christian Logic

Hmmm...says it all really
you could substitute christian with any other religion if you like

[jno]

your original argument, if I've understood correctly, was that the Bible's account of the creation of light shows that Christian thinking is illogical. But OG suggested that it's merely a matter of defining terms: the sun was not called a star when the Bible was written (or translated into English), and it's only by using a modern definition that the biblical passage seems illogical.

A modern translation might say "God created the sun" and then "God created the other stars".

[VHG]

The stupidity of all this is that it places our sun (and therefore our earth) at the centre of everything, and that the rest of the stars were put there just to make the sky look nice at night.

These religious theories are all as outdated as the "earth is flat" theory or the "sun goes round the earth" theory.

I am surprised so many gullible people who believe in all this tosh still exist.

[jno]

the sun is indeed central to my existence. Antares is not.

[mikey4444]

These two young American girls are terribly irritating, if slightly amusing.

Trying to apply logic to religions is rather like trying to nail custard to the wall.

[mushroom25]

I read an interesting piece some years ago that expounded the theory that God was an alcoholic. The theory runs that He wakes after a particularly heavy night and after dragging himself vertical and re-learning how to focus (despite the pneumatic drill running in His head), notices what an appalling mess the world is in. Horrified, He vows to do something about it - but just has a little drink to steady his nerves...... and so it goes on.

[sandyRoe]

You all seem to be missing the point. If God, being omnipotent, says, 'Let there be light,' there is.

[pixie373]

Although the most rational explanation is that God didn't realise the sun was a star?
Even the title is an oxymoron:-)

[LazyGun]

Its an assumptive rationalisation to try and explain the apparent contradiction of the text, Jno - and we are always told by the fundamentalists that bible is literally true, is inerrant.

[naomi24]

I've just watched the video. Very good. :o)

[ll_billym]

On the first day God created the concept of light, and although it's not explicitly mentioned he designed the whole electromagnetic spectrum but at this point it was only him that could see it, and he saw that it was good. To start off with nothing was emitting anything on any frequency but then he made stars and pulsars and the rest.

[pixie373]

Does light exist, if there are no eyes to see it?

[jomifl]

jno, a rose by any other name (category) would smell as sweet. The Bard understood some time ago but many have some way to go.

[beso]

Light, or at least electromagnetic radiation, was formed in the Big Bang in the first microsecond. The first stars appear at about 300 million years.