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Lol And Lol ... The Italian Legal System, Always Good Comedy Value
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Monica Napoleoni is the Deputy Commissioner the Perugia Police.
Monica was married to a lawyer called Vittorio Recolcati. They are divorced. They have one son.
Last year, Monica asked the Court to revoke Vittorio's parental rights.
She failed, because the Court psychologist, Francesca Ciammarughi, said that Vittorio should retain his rights.
Following Francesca's report, Monica was furious.
Then, mysteriously, three detectives who worked under Monica started a whole load of unjustified, and illegal, investigations into Francesca. Pure coincidence? Or anything to do with Monica's fury?
Next, someone wrote on Francesca's car ... "Bitch, you'll learn not to take children away from their mothers". Pure coincidence? Or anything to do with Monica's fury?
And someone spray painted on Vittorio's house ... "You must die, pedophile". Pure coincidence? Or anything to do with Monica's fury?
Well, Italian prosecutors are now investigating Monica, and the three rogue detectives who worked under her, illegally harassing Francesca.
We just love the Italian justice system, lol.
So two, no three, amusing things.
One. The rogue Police officers have been removed from the Perugia Police Department. But the officer in charge of the three rogue cops, Lorena Zugarini, has past history of a Court finding that she denied a suspect of basic legal rights. She worked on the Amanda Knox case.
Two. Monica also has past form. She was the Investigating Officer in charge of the Amanda Knox enquiry. One of Amanda's "confessions" was tortured out of her while Monica was working with Guiliano Mignini, and it was famously thrown out by the Italian Supreme Court.
Three. This is the best bit. Is it a coincidence that, after Vittorio and Francesca had so annoyed Monica, his house and her car were vandalised, and Monica's department started to harass Francesca? Yes, maybe it is a coincidence. And, because it might be a coincidence, the Italian Court has said that there is no evidence against Monica. BUT ... the Italian prosecution have appealed, lol, lol, lol.
Monica, of course, is furious, again! She is raging that this is "unjustified aggression by the prosecutor" and a "subjective interpretation of the facts". Well, as Monica was head of the murder squad which tried to fabricate evidence against Amanda Knox, she knows all about "unjustified aggression by the prosecutor" and a "subjective interpretation of the facts".
You have to love the Italian legal system, especially in Perugia.
Monica was married to a lawyer called Vittorio Recolcati. They are divorced. They have one son.
Last year, Monica asked the Court to revoke Vittorio's parental rights.
She failed, because the Court psychologist, Francesca Ciammarughi, said that Vittorio should retain his rights.
Following Francesca's report, Monica was furious.
Then, mysteriously, three detectives who worked under Monica started a whole load of unjustified, and illegal, investigations into Francesca. Pure coincidence? Or anything to do with Monica's fury?
Next, someone wrote on Francesca's car ... "Bitch, you'll learn not to take children away from their mothers". Pure coincidence? Or anything to do with Monica's fury?
And someone spray painted on Vittorio's house ... "You must die, pedophile". Pure coincidence? Or anything to do with Monica's fury?
Well, Italian prosecutors are now investigating Monica, and the three rogue detectives who worked under her, illegally harassing Francesca.
We just love the Italian justice system, lol.
So two, no three, amusing things.
One. The rogue Police officers have been removed from the Perugia Police Department. But the officer in charge of the three rogue cops, Lorena Zugarini, has past history of a Court finding that she denied a suspect of basic legal rights. She worked on the Amanda Knox case.
Two. Monica also has past form. She was the Investigating Officer in charge of the Amanda Knox enquiry. One of Amanda's "confessions" was tortured out of her while Monica was working with Guiliano Mignini, and it was famously thrown out by the Italian Supreme Court.
Three. This is the best bit. Is it a coincidence that, after Vittorio and Francesca had so annoyed Monica, his house and her car were vandalised, and Monica's department started to harass Francesca? Yes, maybe it is a coincidence. And, because it might be a coincidence, the Italian Court has said that there is no evidence against Monica. BUT ... the Italian prosecution have appealed, lol, lol, lol.
Monica, of course, is furious, again! She is raging that this is "unjustified aggression by the prosecutor" and a "subjective interpretation of the facts". Well, as Monica was head of the murder squad which tried to fabricate evidence against Amanda Knox, she knows all about "unjustified aggression by the prosecutor" and a "subjective interpretation of the facts".
You have to love the Italian legal system, especially in Perugia.
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Obviously a prosecutor is not going to physically torture a suspect whom he has to produce in Court, but ...
Deprived of food or drink.
Interrogated in Italian while being deprived of access to a lawyer, or a translator, or an American representative.
Being told, wrongly, that she was never going to be released and would spend her life in an Italian prison.
Being (falsely) told that she had to provide Pervert (sorry "Prosecutor") Mignini with a list of everyone with whom she had ever slept because the Police pretended that they had tested her positive for HIV.
Being repeatedly struck about the head by the Italian interrogators.
In the end, exhausted, hungry, in pain, and believing she was going to die, she signed a "confession" which the Police had concocted for her. Needless to say, the Court ordered that a confession obtained under those conditions was inadmissible (although that didn't stop Mignini from continuing to insist that she had confessed).
Deprived of food or drink.
Interrogated in Italian while being deprived of access to a lawyer, or a translator, or an American representative.
Being told, wrongly, that she was never going to be released and would spend her life in an Italian prison.
Being (falsely) told that she had to provide Pervert (sorry "Prosecutor") Mignini with a list of everyone with whom she had ever slept because the Police pretended that they had tested her positive for HIV.
Being repeatedly struck about the head by the Italian interrogators.
In the end, exhausted, hungry, in pain, and believing she was going to die, she signed a "confession" which the Police had concocted for her. Needless to say, the Court ordered that a confession obtained under those conditions was inadmissible (although that didn't stop Mignini from continuing to insist that she had confessed).
@JJ I have not followed the case as closely as you,and nor am I so emotionally invested in Knoxs guilt or innocence, but I think using the word torture for a series of police interrogations over a murder demeans the suffering of victims of actual torture.
And I thought the claims of being struck around the head had been denied,as were her claims to being denied food and water? So its a "they say, she says" situation, isn't it?
And I thought the claims of being struck around the head had been denied,as were her claims to being denied food and water? So its a "they say, she says" situation, isn't it?
Lazy, don't forget the two facts that have now (at the third round of hearings) been established by the DNA ...
1. Amanda was absolutely, definitely not in Meredith's room when Meredith was killed. Definitely. No longer in issue. (see link to thread below)
2. Rafaelle's knife which, for years, has been paraded by the prosecution as "the murder weapon" was absolutely, definitely not used to kill Meredith. (see link to thread below)
When the hearing re-convenes, it should be a formality now for the prosecution to formally withdraw the case.
But I just have this feeling that they will continue the Italian legal system comedy theme, and they will still try to say ...
Although the DNA evidence now confirms that Amanda and Refaelle were not at the scene of the crime ...
And although the supposed murder weapon had only ever been used to cut read ...
She did a cartwheel so, somehow, she just HAS to be a murderer.
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I adore the Italian legal system. It's like having Monty Python still together.
1. Amanda was absolutely, definitely not in Meredith's room when Meredith was killed. Definitely. No longer in issue. (see link to thread below)
2. Rafaelle's knife which, for years, has been paraded by the prosecution as "the murder weapon" was absolutely, definitely not used to kill Meredith. (see link to thread below)
When the hearing re-convenes, it should be a formality now for the prosecution to formally withdraw the case.
But I just have this feeling that they will continue the Italian legal system comedy theme, and they will still try to say ...
Although the DNA evidence now confirms that Amanda and Refaelle were not at the scene of the crime ...
And although the supposed murder weapon had only ever been used to cut read ...
She did a cartwheel so, somehow, she just HAS to be a murderer.
http://
I adore the Italian legal system. It's like having Monty Python still together.
As I say, JJ - I do not have your command of the details of the case :) But I just think it a tad hyperbolic to describe her alleged treatment as torture.
And I have to tell you - at the risk of being sent to sit in the corner of the class - I still think her guilty. And it was indeed because of that cartwheel.
And I have to tell you - at the risk of being sent to sit in the corner of the class - I still think her guilty. And it was indeed because of that cartwheel.
Well, that just shows what a clever chap Mignini is.
He's persuaded a lot of people ...
Ignore the DNA ...
Ignore all the evidence ...
Put such trivia as "the facts" out of your mind ...
If I tell you, without ever actually proving it, that she did a cartwheel, then you will visualise a murderer.
Had she not done a cartwheel, I would have told you that she was quiet, and sullen, and moody, and therefore ... a murderer.
Would it help if a tied a carrot on her nose?
The fact that Sig. Mingini has subsequently been convicted of the criminal charge of abuse of office, and obtaining illegal evidence, does not sway people from believing everything he says.
Nor the fact that, in all of his last three murder investigations, he came up with a story about a satanic sex ritual which, in all of the three cases,mother Court decided was a complete figment of his slightly disturbed imagination.
You have to love the guy.
He's persuaded a lot of people ...
Ignore the DNA ...
Ignore all the evidence ...
Put such trivia as "the facts" out of your mind ...
If I tell you, without ever actually proving it, that she did a cartwheel, then you will visualise a murderer.
Had she not done a cartwheel, I would have told you that she was quiet, and sullen, and moody, and therefore ... a murderer.
Would it help if a tied a carrot on her nose?
The fact that Sig. Mingini has subsequently been convicted of the criminal charge of abuse of office, and obtaining illegal evidence, does not sway people from believing everything he says.
Nor the fact that, in all of his last three murder investigations, he came up with a story about a satanic sex ritual which, in all of the three cases,mother Court decided was a complete figment of his slightly disturbed imagination.
You have to love the guy.
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