Not Anti Push Bike

[TWR]

Breakfast this morning, cyclists killed by HGVs / Motorist, they suggest banning HGVs in the Big Cities first thing in the morning, if Cyclist used the roads safely they would not be killed, how many times have you seen Cyclists go through Red lights/ coming up the side of you/ cutting in front of you, if they want rules for Cyclist, let them pay to use the road.

[craft1948]

I must admit that as a motorist in York I am petrified of cyclists. They ignore red lights, and cycle on the pavements. Also if I'm at the front of a traffic queue at red lights and I'm signalling to turn left they queue up on the inside and I have to just sit there until they've all gone.

[Baldric]

I'm not anti-cyclist, but they represent a large group of road users who need no training and pay no fees of any kind before taking to the road, and then in a lot of cases behave like idiots.
The argument that they may well own a car which they tax and insure doesn't work either, it doesn't cover their cycling activity.

[TWR]

I may be BOLD Trigg but TRUE, been there and nearly flattened a few on a left hand turn with an Artic.

[Maydup]

Town centres were never designed for artics, nor the weight of traffic we have these days come to that, but if you think of people and not vehicles, each has the same right to a safe life. Given the choice i'd ban the HGVs over the cyclists, they're the more dangerous of the two by far.

[TWR]

Can you get 24 tonns of food on a bush bike Maydup?

[vulcan42]

every road user has to pay a lot of money to use the road both lawfully and safely. Why should cyclists use these facilities for nothing, flout the laws and disregard common sense safety procedures and then try and get other vehicles banned?

[TWR]

That thing that you're typing on Trigg on a push bike, l
HGVs use Derv not Petrol, the petrol that you use to take your 12 year old to school on a Tarmac Road that was brought by a HGV not a push bike.

[Baldric]

I was in Sandwich (Kent) pulling out into a one-way street, traffic going left to right in front of me, good look to the left, quick look to the right, just in case, check left pull out and had a lycra clad cyclist go over the bonnet 'cause he'd hit my O/S front wing, coming the wrong way round the one-way system.
How lucky can you get, the first car to appear on the left was a marked Police car the crew of which saw him picking himself up with his bike still against my car.
After a brief chat with Officers he agreed to pick up my repair bill, which he did, and nothing more was heard about it.

[TWR]

Was it broughh Bike!

[joggerjayne]

I'm going to hold my hands up a bit here.

I cycle way more than I drive, partly because you can't park around here. If I'm heading back to The Lanes from, say, Waitrose (Waitrose to Starbucks being a well cycled route for me), I cut across the road at Churchill Square, cycle down the pedestrian ramp, avoid the lights, cross the road to Lloyds bank, into the pedestrian precinct, into Ship Street, and I'm there. And that ride is all downhill, so quite fast.

And I know I should get off and walk, or stay on the road. I know that.

But none of us do.

So I'm totally pro cyclists. But I also realise that we are not angels. We do take liberties. And when we get hurt, we moan about the horrid car drivers. But there are two sides to every story.

Incidentally, the cycle path on the sea front is on the footpath, not on the road. Visitors from out of town hardly ever notice it. They cross the road towards the sea front, avoid the cars, and then step straight into the path of the bikes.

[Maydup]

Bush bike? No, you can't get 24 tons of food on a push bike, i wasn't suggesting you tried. I suggested banning HGVs from big city centres in the morning, like the OP mentions. Food, clothing, all all the other stuff we buy could be delivered during the night maybe. Lets separate the use of the streets for goods and people and make them safer places.

[TWR]

Brought /// He was lucky Balric, if that was a HGV you would be pealing him off the road.

[Baldric]

///clothing, all all the other stuff we buy could be delivered during the night maybe.///

And up go the prices to cover the cost of night staff to deal with these deliveries

[Maydup]

TWR-please explain the use of the title of your question. Why say not anti when you are? Would you prefer to ban cyclists or do you have another solution?

[Baldric]

TWR, he was a bit lucky the Police arrived when they did as well!
;-)

[ivor4781]

90% of cyclists i see while driving in my area have no lights back or front,this is even on winding country lanes at night and to boot no reflectors and wearing dark clothes. these are not just kids either prob most of them ( and male i must add) have most likely got a family at home poss young kids, you can pick up a pair of led lights in cheap shop for £2 !