Freedom Of Speech?

[Gavmacp]

In this week when the right of freedom of speech has been hailed as so important could someone explain what this means?
I have not watched celebrity big brother until tonight but I understand someone has been expelled for expressing offensive language. But isn't that freedom of speech?
My father lost a leg fighting in ww2. When I was young he entered a game at a hotel we were staying in. Because of his disability he needed a runner. The other chap behaved in a way that could only be described as humiliating to my father. After the game I asked my father if he was upset by the other guy's behaviour? He said that was what he fought for, the right for the other chap to humiliate him. He said if Hitler had won the other chap could possibility be executed for his behaviour. This was totally unelectable to my fathers morals.

[Stephen_G]

This details what Ken Morley said...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30800508

[Prudie]

I think freedom of speech means freedom to express your views but it must be done without using certain words!

[-Talbot-]

He has only been expelled from the house not shot.

[Svejk]

Prudie /// I think freedom of speech means freedom to express your views but it must be done without using certain words///
But who picks the words?

[DTCwordfan]

Maybe the celeb big bro should have been shot.....it's semi-make believe and expected.

Indeed the producers love lewd behaviour like this; it makes for so-called good tv and commentary such as you have raised.

[woofgang]

As I understand it, celeb bb has "rules" If you elect to join the game then you must obey the rules, indeed you agree to do so, and are told the consequences of not doing so when you sign up. That has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

I am sorry I don't understand your last sentence, predictive text I am guessing?

[Prudie]

"But who picks the words?"? Well it evolves, a bit like fashion. I learn what's in and out on here.

[jno]

who picks the words? The CBB producers? Their house, their rules?

[andres]

We have laws for libel, slander, defamation of character and racist remarks so how do we have freedom of speech?Before long we will all be walking around with zips on our mouths.

[Orderlimit]

Yes I agree Gavmacp and of course there has to be boundaries etc but there is a huge industry of the entitlement to offended brigade going to the extremes and its out of control. ( most only do it for self recognition and other wrong reasons).

[ichkeria]

Swearing on a dumb TV programme is not freedom of speech :-)

[Gavmacp]

Yes predicted text messed up my last sentence.
I did a counselling course and on that course someone was offended by my use of choice words. I found that rather amusing as what they may hear from potential clients would be a thousand times more offensive than any word I could use. I many years ago supported someone that was gang raped and I found that more shocking than any word in the English language. What amused me more was the chap who addressed my foul language used the word 'god' in a derogatory way which offended a priest that was on the course.

[Orderlimit]

Well yes, this is how its got.

[Hopkirk]

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Voltaire

[PankySmooch]

He said ***, wow!

As for Nadia Sawalha wanting to call the police because he said he wanted to "check out some ***"... Really??

I hope the fat cow does the same when she's on Loose Women and they start drooling over some young 'fit' bloke

[Orderlimit]

And also sorry, I guess the actual point being discussed got forgotten about during all this silly nonsense Gavmacp?

[Peter Pedant]

blimey I salute your father who seems like a modern saint.

It means the freedom to say what you like however there are in all countries laws that limit to a certain extent. Mitchell who has a £3m bill for libelling the policeman calling him a pleb, would not have suffered this fate in America. We can deny the Holocaust ever took place but most European countries have laws making such denial a crime. In Germany, if you make a Hitler salute, you will be arrested

So to a certain extent we can say what we like according to the various laws of the various countries, and if we do not wish to comply then we get variously punished.

The real issue is that various anti-Jewish things are unlawful ( saying anti semitic things ) and yet such protection is not extended to sacred objects or persons in Islam. So it is quite lawful to portray Mohd in a western country even tho the muslims do not themselves.

Charlie Hebdo showed the back end of M kneeling down and a daffodil or perhaps a crescent sticking out of his ass. Actually it could be anyone in a turban ( his only clothing ) and he didnt have a label pinned to his buttock saying 'the prophet'. This really set their teeth on edge. and years later led to the murders.

Its a culture thing - altho I might not buy a cartoon of the Pope abusing a child, I wouldnt shoot the cartoonist...

but blimey I salute your father - what a guy and example to us all !

[jno]

you can't say what you want on AB, either, hence all the asterisks. So what? Attendance here, or on CBB, isn't compulsory. If you want to do it, you have to abide by the rules.

[askyourgran]

I agree with ichkeria, it is a low grade 'reality' tv programme, with z list people. That wasn't freedom of speech, there was no need for Ken Morley to use such words. By all accounts he was offensive towards the women on the programme before that, he is just a sad ***. BTW I do not watch reality programmes I just read about his behaviour.

[Peter Pedant]

I have read teh Ken Morley article

I mean Jeremy Jackson ( cautioned ) has to learn that if he has been vomitting then he shouldnt look down a woman's cleavage ..... she wont like it

I dont kinda think this is a free speech issue