Why Are They So "mean"

[tinkerbell23]

In the navy/army etc.....

Im watching the tv programme about Royal Navy School....

I understand the need for "order".... I was just wondering why all the screaming & balling... X

[ummmm]

Discipline I presume. They break them down and then build them back up as they want them.

[douglas9401]

If I may, that's "screaming and bawling". Only one letter changed but they're different worlds. :-)

[DaisyNonna]

Thought horses were broken, not people

[tinkerbell23]

Ah yes douglas....quite right....my sentence means something else entirely LOL


.....i dont know the rules...just thought they were shouting about daft things....x

[Old_Geezer]

Well according to the forces adverts, it makes them a better them. Well unless they crack and leave and have lifelong affects afterwards I suppose.

[Dahlia_Lama]

Im sure I read today that they were going to desist from foul language. Its tantamount to bullying and mental abuse. We're advised as parents that using abusive , bullying behaviour to discipline children is counter productive then they join the Forces and find that abuse is the only discipline.
before anyone says that there is a line between children and adults...in this case its one day, that is , between being 15 and 16.

[douglas9401]

To be fair to the forces though, D-L, children are seldom required to vapourise fellow human beings on the order of a parent to possibly save the lives of all around them.
An instant response needs instilling for the killing.

[ummmm]

I also think they are so mean because they want the toughest and strongest minded. A wuss like me wouldn't make the grade.

I couldn't handle being shouted at. I couldn't even kill an ant.

[Dahlia_Lama]

Oh I agree Douglas!
However absolutely destroying a 16yr old when in fact they've worked their *** off is counter productive . I'm not soft at all . I do believe in discipline , I don't believe in mental cruelty though ,it borders on stripping them bare of any thought process and then rebuilding them to the Forces thought process and that's brainwashing with some of those ankers ... I wonder who needs disciplined at times .Its a fine line which could felt those young people for the rest of their lives .

[ummmm]

That's why I disagree with how the military discharge people. Their mindset needs retraining.

[Dahlia_Lama]

Yes . I agree with you ummm. PTSD doesn't just belong to the battlefield.

[ummmm]

My uncle joined the army to get off a joyriding charge!! Could you imagine that happening now? My granddad escorted him to court and told the judge my uncle was joining the army. They dropped the charges as long as he did join the army.

He spent most of his time in the army trying to buy himself out.

He went in as a puny boy and came out as superman.

[Ken4155]

At 16 and 1/2 years old, i joined the JLRRA who were stationed in Bramcote, just outside Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Once I and other NIGs (New Intake Gunners) had boarded the bus to take us to our new home, we began to chatter excitedly only for an acting (unpaid, unwanted) LBdr Gerry Drysfield screamed at us to be quiet. He then muttered those immortal words; "You're in the army, now." As a group we sniggered all the way to camp.
The screaming and shouting is all bluster and, i suspect, is exaggerated for the sake of the cameras.

[ummmm]

I just don't know how you'd overcome the urge to headbutt someone who was shouting in your face :-)

[Ken4155]

Headbutting shouty army types is strictly against Queen's Regulations, ummmm.

[ummmm]

I gathered that....some people must feel the urge though.

I'm not use to being shouted at :-)

[Peter Pedant]

I didnt think it was so bad you orrible little people

That stupid Dunbar - what he did on camera, I wondered if he had been egged on for the purposes of television

and the complaint by the geek - I thought he had been egged on

and the class captain who said limply - yeah someone has been chucked out because of a prank

I mean you would expect someone to have the balls ( tinkerball used it first ) to pick up the pillow take the 'soiled' pillow case off - chuck it back in Dunbar's face .....

so I did rather think the television had made the news ....

[bookbinder]

When I was doing my National Service (in the infantry), I was told by an NCO that the idea behind the shouting of orders was to make us more frightened of them (the NCOs) than we were of the enemy.