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Boris Bans Booze on Tube
Public transport drink ban plan News item 30.10.05
A ban on passengers drinking alcohol on public transport is being considered by the government as part of a crackdown on binge drinking.
The Conservatives said the proposed ban was Labour "going completely over the top".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4389598 .stm
Boris Johnson to ban alcohol on Tube News item today
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1934587/Boris- Johnson-unveils-plans-to-ban-alcohol-from-Lond on-Underground.html
Is this a personal attack on boozy Ken's travel habits?
Can this ban be imposed and made to work?
is there anything to stop you binge drinking and then catching the tube home?
Are the Tories implementing old Labour policies?
A ban on passengers drinking alcohol on public transport is being considered by the government as part of a crackdown on binge drinking.
The Conservatives said the proposed ban was Labour "going completely over the top".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4389598 .stm
Boris Johnson to ban alcohol on Tube News item today
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1934587/Boris- Johnson-unveils-plans-to-ban-alcohol-from-Lond on-Underground.html
Is this a personal attack on boozy Ken's travel habits?
Can this ban be imposed and made to work?
is there anything to stop you binge drinking and then catching the tube home?
Are the Tories implementing old Labour policies?
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Oneeyedvic
The first was public transport not private coaches. It was aimed at trains and buses. They are the same.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/oct/31 /transport.ukcrime
The Tories then said "another example of the Labour nanny state". Now the tories are implementing it.
The first was public transport not private coaches. It was aimed at trains and buses. They are the same.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/oct/31 /transport.ukcrime
The Tories then said "another example of the Labour nanny state". Now the tories are implementing it.
from your link: drinking alcohol on trains, buses and planes
This is in no way comparable to tube.
A train journey can easily be 10 hours as can a plane. On both these services, you have a food service. I don't believe (and am willing to concede if there is proof to the contrary) that there is a big problem with drinking on planes or trains (either alcohol attacks or intimidation). Certainly all the flights I have been on, I have never been concerned with people drinking nearby).
This is obviously (in my opinion) not the same for the tube (or for buses). I have certainly felt intimidated on the tube with people drinking alcohol.
The difference is also obviously that in planes and trains you have a uniformed person aboard (figure of authority) who is visible. You do not get this on the tube.
This is in no way comparable to tube.
A train journey can easily be 10 hours as can a plane. On both these services, you have a food service. I don't believe (and am willing to concede if there is proof to the contrary) that there is a big problem with drinking on planes or trains (either alcohol attacks or intimidation). Certainly all the flights I have been on, I have never been concerned with people drinking nearby).
This is obviously (in my opinion) not the same for the tube (or for buses). I have certainly felt intimidated on the tube with people drinking alcohol.
The difference is also obviously that in planes and trains you have a uniformed person aboard (figure of authority) who is visible. You do not get this on the tube.
It's a great idea, try implementing it!
I work on the buses (not in London), you tell someone to leave his ale, ring the bell seconds out round one!
What happens when he puts his ale down 2 stops on and opens another one?
Utter nonsense! He's in cuckoo land, we have enough to contend with without that too.
Ask yourself this simple question it's midnight, you're in the cab on your own and 4 fellas get on p1ssed with a load of ale, what ya gonna do?....
I work on the buses (not in London), you tell someone to leave his ale, ring the bell seconds out round one!
What happens when he puts his ale down 2 stops on and opens another one?
Utter nonsense! He's in cuckoo land, we have enough to contend with without that too.
Ask yourself this simple question it's midnight, you're in the cab on your own and 4 fellas get on p1ssed with a load of ale, what ya gonna do?....
Bertie
Yep - I'm a Londoner, and I voted against both Boris and Ken (policy issues rather than party politics).
I absolutely think that being Mayor is about as putting blancmange into an envelope.
I hope Boris implements policies which lead to a reduction in crime, increased opportunities for young people and (finally) some integration between the various transport systems.
Having achieved that, he might want to turn his eye towards solving the Middle East problem and getting Starburst renamed back to flipping Opal Fruits.
Yep - I'm a Londoner, and I voted against both Boris and Ken (policy issues rather than party politics).
I absolutely think that being Mayor is about as putting blancmange into an envelope.
I hope Boris implements policies which lead to a reduction in crime, increased opportunities for young people and (finally) some integration between the various transport systems.
Having achieved that, he might want to turn his eye towards solving the Middle East problem and getting Starburst renamed back to flipping Opal Fruits.
I will (and have already) concede that bus and tube journeys are similar.
They are not similar to plain and trains.
That is what your link alluded to. ALL public transport to have no alcohol.
Can you not see the difference?
With regards policing it, yes they can if there is the political will.
Ask someone in New York about graffiti and fare dodging in the 1980s. The look at it now.
They are not similar to plain and trains.
That is what your link alluded to. ALL public transport to have no alcohol.
Can you not see the difference?
With regards policing it, yes they can if there is the political will.
Ask someone in New York about graffiti and fare dodging in the 1980s. The look at it now.
I for one will miss having a cheeky can with my flatmate on the tube as I trundle up the Jubilee line on the way to a party, or a night out somewhere.
In all my years of travelling the tube, only once have I seen someone who was drinking acting particularly aggressively, and he struck me as the kind of alcholic that would be threatening anyway, can in hand or not. Of course, I can understand that some people feel threatened by drunken behaviour, but that won't stop with a booze ban, as people will still get on public transport drunk. At best you're doing away with a symbol of loutishness, but not really solving anything.
If I was Boris, I'd be clamping down on the 90% fair dodging crisis on the DLR. They must be losing millions in revenue because they haven't installed barriers and machines.
In all my years of travelling the tube, only once have I seen someone who was drinking acting particularly aggressively, and he struck me as the kind of alcholic that would be threatening anyway, can in hand or not. Of course, I can understand that some people feel threatened by drunken behaviour, but that won't stop with a booze ban, as people will still get on public transport drunk. At best you're doing away with a symbol of loutishness, but not really solving anything.
If I was Boris, I'd be clamping down on the 90% fair dodging crisis on the DLR. They must be losing millions in revenue because they haven't installed barriers and machines.
sp - Can you get him to bring back the original Milk Tray advert and while he is at it - come and sort out my back garden ; before I get a delegation of wilderbeast come knocking on the door , looking for some grazing .
I agree with you that being a mayor is easy peasy - he is just the frontman - his advisors will be the ones who will be formulating future policies .
I agree with you that being a mayor is easy peasy - he is just the frontman - his advisors will be the ones who will be formulating future policies .
Totally agree with Supernick on this.
The average journey time on the tube is probably under half an hour. If that. The one drink that you consume on the tube isn't going to make much difference to your behaviour. Chances are trouble-makers will have been drunk anyway.
This is a crackdown on behalf of those who find public drinking a bit uncouth. What a way to govern.
I recently read one of Ken's posters about being considerate on public transport. It contained phrases like 'I will not play my music loud', 'I will stand up if someone needs my seat.' And then one that gave a bit of balance, 'I will remember what it was like to be 14.' Because clearly some people get offended at 14 year olds mucking about and laughing.
Just as some people choose to be offended by someone swigging a beer. Not to everyone's tastes but is that enough reason to make it illegal?
The average journey time on the tube is probably under half an hour. If that. The one drink that you consume on the tube isn't going to make much difference to your behaviour. Chances are trouble-makers will have been drunk anyway.
This is a crackdown on behalf of those who find public drinking a bit uncouth. What a way to govern.
I recently read one of Ken's posters about being considerate on public transport. It contained phrases like 'I will not play my music loud', 'I will stand up if someone needs my seat.' And then one that gave a bit of balance, 'I will remember what it was like to be 14.' Because clearly some people get offended at 14 year olds mucking about and laughing.
Just as some people choose to be offended by someone swigging a beer. Not to everyone's tastes but is that enough reason to make it illegal?
I won't have people smoking on the bus, if I smell it, that's the trouble with not being a human Vulcan.
The problem with drunks drinking on the bus is that if they have bottles they've got an instant weapon, if it's open it can be emptied in a second and on your head before you know it.
Quimlad, I expect teenagers to be annoying, I expect them to ring the bell incessantly and I expect them to be boisterous (within some reason) I'm not that interested in their playing music.
I have a responsibility to the passengers on my bus if peoples behaviour is upsetting my passengers, if someone complains or if there's children present then I have to act.
People who don't work with the public have no idea what it's like.
The problem with drunks drinking on the bus is that if they have bottles they've got an instant weapon, if it's open it can be emptied in a second and on your head before you know it.
Quimlad, I expect teenagers to be annoying, I expect them to ring the bell incessantly and I expect them to be boisterous (within some reason) I'm not that interested in their playing music.
I have a responsibility to the passengers on my bus if peoples behaviour is upsetting my passengers, if someone complains or if there's children present then I have to act.
People who don't work with the public have no idea what it's like.
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