Modern Science

[keyplus90]

We have spoken about so many things, Embryology, astronomy, geology, water cycle, earth, and so many more things. I believe Quran talked about these things before scientists found out in modern time. Then I am told by few that everything Quran talks about was already known to Greeks, Hindus, Chinese and even Pagan Arabs before Muhammad (pbuh).

Now my question is that regardless of who knew before scientists in the modern age but the point is that someone already knew about all these things or had some sort of idea. So what did the modern science do? Apart from verifying what others already knew? I am not a scientist and I know this website has few big names in that field so can anyone list few things that earlier people did not know before the modern science. And I don’t want technical stuff but day to day things that all of us know.

[mollykins]

Germs aren't technical, but you need technology to see them. But if god created them, why aren't they in the bible etc unless they weren't created by a god so noone knew about them.

[naomi24]

Day to day things? What, like radio, television, telephones, the internet, mobile phones, cars, planes, plastics, medicines? Or were you thinking of something else?

By the way, there are a couple of questions on other threads that are awaiting your answers.

[boxtops]

What is known in modern times is due to technology and can be expanded upon considerably by electronics etc. What was known in ancient times was learned by observation and deduction, man using what was then available to him. The technology now available to us takes us further into these matters.

[LazyGun]

@Keyplus - Here we go again. You speak of "modern science" as if it is an entity - well when did "modern science" begin? Science is a process, and has been around ever since our species started wondering about its environment, and speculating, observing, and experimenting, to test its ideas. This process IS science. It is no surprise, therefore, that surviving texts from cultures throughout our history will contain a record of such observations and speculations.

No one would argue or dispute this. Where you will get argument and refutation is when people like you attempt to suggest that the Quran contains ideas about the universe that either were either a) unique in their time (hint: they weren't) or b) somehow match- or even improve- our modern day understanding.

To summarise - The Quran contains no science or speculations / observations upon the world or universe that were not already widely understood or available in other, earlier or contemporary cultures. The Quran most certainly does not contain any scientific or rational theories that match or improve upon our current scientific understanding.

[mibn2cweus]

http://upload.wikimed...mons/3/3d/Uranus2.jpg

[sherminator]

come on guys this is a fair question! -I dont think Keyplus is being Facetious here!

lazygun is right in that 'modern' science didnt start at some literal point but there must be plenty of examples that people can think of?

Im no scientist myself but look at the advances keplus since we discovered that we orbit the sun rather than the sun orbitting earth! We can now place ourselves much more accuaretly in the galaxy rather than believing that we were at the centre of it!(This has led to all sorts of star charts and being able to plot the age and movement of the universe!)

Also look how much further we have advanced in looking under the micrscope at bacteria and cells and genes etc. For the person that discovered these, 'modern' technology has enabled to do things in so much more dpeth that it has opened up hundreds of other areas of science.

It will always be the way there were a lot more pioneers back in the day and that nowdays we are just building on what they did. But that shouldnt take away from all the wonderous things that science has given us.

[naomi24]

Shermi, I think LazyGun, like the rest of us, has a pretty good idea where this is leading, and it's somewhere we've been many times before - but we shall see.

Mibs, beautiful picture.

[keyplus90]

Lazy gun – I understand that science is a process. But there are so many things that earlier people did not know. As mollykins named “germs”. Sherminator talked about earth orbiting Sun instead of otherwise. Naomi’s examples are OK about Radio, tv, these are just advancements based upon other knowledge that had been discovered earlier on.

So Greeks, Arabs and others did not know about germs, and earth etc? Or they knew but could not pin point it?

[keyplus90]

Naomi - where do you believe it is leading us to as you seem to know about that.

[naomi24]

Why, to the science of the Koran, Keyplus. No?

By the way, did you google the baby gender issue?

[naomi24]

^^ He asked for 'day to day things', so I offered, amongst other things, the internet and mobile phones, but it didn't seem to be what he was looking for.

[sherminator]

Keyplus am trying to understand your point here but agree with everyone else in that this is very vague.

As always there is revolution and evolution

The early scientists 'discovered' germs for example. Well after you have made the discovery which is the revolution in science, all you can do after that is evolve on the idea! you build on it! But thats not to say that there hasn't been some incredible work done in 'modern' science!

[Davethedog]

Birdie you have that right in every respect.

Keyplus I would like to put another book into the equation - The quatrains of Nostradamus now according to the belivers this book contains every significant event in history from the time of Nostradamus to now and beyond.

However its all in a "code" so you have to be flexible in you understanding you see.

Where in the Quaran does it mention germs or the Earth orbiting the Sun or any of the other scientific discoveries mentioned here.

[jake-the-peg]

Micro-organisms and the causes of disease
The workings of the human body (circulation of the blood, function of organs etc)
That all life is based on cells and how they operate and reproduce

That the Earth revolved about the sun, the scale of the Universe

That matter is constituted from elements that cannot be transmuted (normally)

That the Earth is billions of years old and is constantly changing, the continents drifting apart etc.

The nature of electricity and magnetism and light

Bored now let me know if you want more

[WaldoMcFroog]

Try this: http://en.wikipedia.o...scoveries#8th_century

I've started the list at the 8th century, since this is the first entry after Mohammed's time. It's interesting to see what a wealth of scientific discovery came from Islamic scientists during their 'golden age'; it makes the current rejection of so much science on religious grounds in Islamic countries all the more depressing.