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What Happens With The Irish Border If We Leave With No Deal?
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The whole border/ back stop etc malarkey has seen a lot of debate of late. Am I right in supposing that if we leave with no deal it stays as now anyway? OK the EUSSR may demand something from ROI but what can they realistically do when both UK and ROI are happy how it is now?
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UK government has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place. The NI assembly has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place. Southern Island government has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place. EU has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place. So no hard boarder. They will either have in place or get very quicky systems that allow trade to...
22:33 Mon 21st Jan 2019
On day one, probably nothing happens. Not long after, though, it is pretty much certain that someone will have to start recognising the reality of what trading with the EU under WTO rules means for the border. It becomes a border on either side of which Customs regulations are different, and in order to regulate this then both sides will have to start organising Customs checks.
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Perhaps a better way of stating the reality is that nobody wants to even find out what will happen.
Here are a few sources discussing the issue:
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Perhaps a better way of stating the reality is that nobody wants to even find out what will happen.
Mmm, I see.
I think "hard border" means people stopping goods crossing the border and checking whether tariffs where appropriate have been paid (or promised). (And a lot of other detail which I don't know or understand)
However, as we don't yet have such a "hard border", and everybody agrees that it is essential to avoid it, then in order to avoid it it is essential somebody create one to avoid
Now having pepared the ground we can now avoid a hard border. But only if we accept the Backstop which avoids the hard border which we haven't got yet but will have when somebody creates it.
(I think that's clear. Maybe not)
I think "hard border" means people stopping goods crossing the border and checking whether tariffs where appropriate have been paid (or promised). (And a lot of other detail which I don't know or understand)
However, as we don't yet have such a "hard border", and everybody agrees that it is essential to avoid it, then in order to avoid it it is essential somebody create one to avoid
Now having pepared the ground we can now avoid a hard border. But only if we accept the Backstop which avoids the hard border which we haven't got yet but will have when somebody creates it.
(I think that's clear. Maybe not)
The authorities on each side of any border will each decide what they want to do. In this case it is exceedingly unlikely that one of these will leave things as they are and that the other will do something different. In fact, without an agreement on how to manage customs and immigration matters it is inevitable that the default position will become one of a hard border. It is pretty much unthinkable that either/both parties will simply ignore the customs and tax (VAT, etc.) concerns, movement of people and all sorts and let traffic flow back and forth unhindered and not covered in any way. Anything other than a hard border is achieved only through a mutual agreement allowing whatever exception to 100% checks. At least that is the best of my knowledge. Neither the UK or the EU will be prepared to have a "hole" in their system as big as an open section of its border with no procedures to control things and charge the traffic according to (each country's) applicable rules and reassurance on the movement of people, pretending otherwise is disingenuous.
If there is no deal then eventually - probably fairly soon - customs checks will need to be done.
If there IS a deal no problem. As the interim arrangements and later if need be the backstop will mean there is effectively a customs union between north and south (British Isles-wide under the former, Ireland only under the latter)
This has been done to death already hasn’t it? Surprised you think not.
If there IS a deal no problem. As the interim arrangements and later if need be the backstop will mean there is effectively a customs union between north and south (British Isles-wide under the former, Ireland only under the latter)
This has been done to death already hasn’t it? Surprised you think not.
UK government has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place.
The NI assembly has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place.
Southern Island government has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place.
EU has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place.
So no hard boarder.
They will either have in place or get very quicky systems that allow trade to continue. Funnily enough most of the trade entering via Southampton docks is non EU goods and they work perfectly well.
The NI assembly has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place.
Southern Island government has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place.
EU has said they won’t put a hard boarder in place.
So no hard boarder.
They will either have in place or get very quicky systems that allow trade to continue. Funnily enough most of the trade entering via Southampton docks is non EU goods and they work perfectly well.
There never was a HARD border in the way most people think. There were and still are farms that have land on both sides of 'the border'. I used to work with someone who had such a farm. He crossed the border from both directions up to 200 times a day. While plowing a field for example, the field was 1/2 in the North and 1/2 in the South.
spelling aside jim casa explains the truth of he matter and why it's a non issue that's been weaponised by those seeking to ignore the result of the referendum. Cassa's last sentence explains the only viable outcome regardless of deal or no deal and the first 4 points give the actual positions of the protagonists. So it's the best answer.
Except he doesn't explain the truth of the matter at all. He has, however, mastered the trick of telling you exactly what you wanted to hear.
No Deal = no customs union = necessary to have some system of checking cross-border goods. Both sides have indeed stated that they don't want a Hard Border, but both sides also recognise that this is exactly what No Deal imposes, via WTO rules if nothing else. Hence the Backstop; hence the fears over No Deal.
No Deal = no customs union = necessary to have some system of checking cross-border goods. Both sides have indeed stated that they don't want a Hard Border, but both sides also recognise that this is exactly what No Deal imposes, via WTO rules if nothing else. Hence the Backstop; hence the fears over No Deal.
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