qts qualified teaching status

[nextqueen]

if you have a pgce from 20 years ago do you still need to have a qts, qualified teaching status. it seems that one automatically comes with the other these days, im confused.

[factor-fiction]

A PGCE student would normally come out with a QTS certificate but they are two separate qualifications. You may need to look up somewhere what the requirements are for QTS. QTS is, as you probably realise, different from NQT status

[Mosaic]

If you have a PGCE you are a qualified teacher and you do not need additional qualifications.

[factor-fiction]

Qualified Teacher Status (QTS)
In order to be recommended for QTS, you must successfully complete an initial training programme in primary or secondary teaching leading to the PGCE award, and must meet the relevant standards required by the Department for Education. You must also currently pass three computer-based skills tests set by the TDA in numeracy, literacy and ICT. For more information, visit the Teaching and Development Agency for Schools (TDA) website or see our TDA Skills Test FAQs (pdf, 0.1mb).

QTS will be conferred by the TDA on behalf of the Secretary of State for Education after all the conditions outlined above have been met. Newly qualified teachers are required to complete an assessed induction period in order to remain eligible for employment in a maintained (state-funded) school or a non-maintained (private) special school.

Taken from: http://www.ioe.ac.uk/...erTraining/59836.html

Note- I think the compulsory ICT test is now no longer needed.

[factor-fiction]

Hi nextqueen. Did you do any teaching after your PGCE? Are you considering applying for a teaching job? I understand you'll need a DfES/GTC (or whatever it's called now) number

[Mosaic]

If you gained a PGCE 20 years ago, you will have a DfES number and unless your number has been revoked for misbehaviour you are qualified to teach without any additional need for top-up qualifications.

[Mosaic]

However - if someone gained a PGCE 20 years ago and has not yet passed their probationary teacher period, it is unlikely that a school would employ them given so many with recently-qualified candidates.
This is a situation where successful teaching experience would be important. If someone had taught off and on over this period, that would be viewed as valid experience.
But a PGCE awarded at that time is undoubtedly 'licence to teach'.

[nextqueen]

the person who i am asking for taught for 15 years in secondary education but hasnt for 5 years.

[sherrardk]

I taught for 16 years and haven't for 5 years, I just presume I still could teach if I chose too (but I would rather stick wasps up my arse).

[mike11111]

It may have changed now, but when I qualified (1977) QTS was not awarded until after satisfactory completion of one year's probation. I received a separate letter from the DES to that effect.

[mike11111]

I'm with sherrardk. I took early retirement so only have my teacher's pension to live on as I am not yet 65. The money I could make from supply teaching (£150 per day) would transform my life, yet I would rather see out the rest of my life in poverty than set foot in a classroom again.

[factor-fiction]

Well nextqueen- that person should have a DfES (GTC) number and will be eligible to teach. Whether they'll find it easy to find a job is another matter. I have been teaching for several years in what is supposed to be a shortage subject but I've only ever been able to get temporary posts (usually 6-12 months) with gaps of unemployment in between. I'm looking for work at the moment but I can see why schools prefer a fresh 22 year old who is cheap than a mid 50s person who is more expensive.

[mike11111]

"...schools prefer a fresh 22 year old who is cheap than a mid 50s person who is more expensive."

This must be the only sphere of life in which a fresh 22 year old is cheaper than a mid 50s person!

[moiflan]

I qualified in 1977 and was informed Q.T S doesn't apply to me as it became law to do the year's probation after this date (not sure when)