Kept Late After Work Finishes

[Yeldur]

I've had an issue with the place I work, the issue being that we are kept late consistently after work to face up the store (Clean and tidy, make sure everything is looking good) now, the issue with this is that we are not paid for this time. I've spoken with a manager about it and he says it is down to the fact that we are not facing up early enough, we close at ??:00 and then have until ??:15 to face up. That is our OFFICIAL face up time. Though, I'm told we should start facing up earlier, which is by no means always possible as we can start facing up, then get called away to serve customers at any minute which immediately distracts us from whatever we are doing. Plus most of the time we are facing up before ??:00 anyways because we get told to do so.
My problem is that A: I don't want to stick around after the time I finish work and stop being paid. B: Facing up is a team effort, which means if I do loads and someone else does little or vice versa, it means that everyone gets kept behind. If I've done loads then I should be allowed to leave, in my opinion.
My question is A:
What are the LEGALITIES in regards to this. I've been told that from a legal perspective, they cannot keep us behind after we stop getting paid.
And B: What are my options in regards to FIXING this issue without causing a problem for the managers. I like the managers in my store and my objective isn't to be an *** to them, though at the same time, wasting 15-30 minutes of my time almost every single day is not something I am interested in nor do I want to.

I've thought of facing up and then taking a picture of each thing I've faced up to then show to a manager and say "This is what I've done, can I please leave now?"

In this situation I don't really know what to do, the typical thing we get told is that "If I let you go it's not fair on everyone else" - And I hate the fact we're told that, because we shouldn't even bloody be there to begin with.

(I am also aware that sometimes contracts can make a difference, I've looked at mine and find no reference to anything like this. I am also paid on an hourly basis)

Thanks very much, Yeldur.

[daz1969]

Where I used to work if we kept back late (this was in a large DIY shop) say by 15-20 minutes, I would come in the day later 15-20 minutes later - they soon started to get us out on time, also I got told that we weren't insured to be in the building after our regular normal hours of work. Hope you find the courage to say or do something, I know we should be grateful for employment, but sometimes big companies take advantage. My current employer makes us start 15 minutes later so I work 15 minutes after the shop closes to allow for any delays on getting out.

[Yeldur]

My only issue with doing that daz, is that my manager isn't wrong, we do not start facing up early enough, however, it's not being enforced correctly to the team well enough to actually make a difference, I don't want to be a dick and start going round telling them to face up because I'm not a manager, and nobody likes to be bossed around by someone who isn't a manager.

So yes, whilst theoretically I could do that, it also would technically backfire in my face because they would just say "If you started facing up earlier we'd get out on time"

[Zacs-Master]

Is 'face up' a US term? If so you'll need specific US law advice.

[ummmm]

That's what the manager should be doing...managing. Go back to him/her being nice as possible and ask them to find a solution.

[Captain2]

Z-M, No it isn't a US term, every shop and supermarket faces up their shelves (makes everything neat and tidy, no gaps and labels to the front)last thing at night - but in their time not the Employees time.

[Zacs-Master]

Thanks Captain. 54 and never heard the phrase. Every day's a school day.

[Yeldur]

The manager has mentioned it but has never really enforced it. He's very pedantic about face up in that in every aisle no matter what he always finds something wrong with it. Now, I'm not that good at face up because I find it incredibly boring, so I face up simple things so that I'm not doing it wrong, though there are times I'm told to face up a section which has a LOT of *** to do in it, and that's generally when I take *** ages to do anything.

I suppose I could ask him to start enforcing it more and getting on our cases a bit more often in briefings etc etc. He says that he doesn't get paid for it either and doesn't want to stick around but I will say that he doesn't really seem to try enforcing it, he just kinda rolls with it.