Qt: Second Scottish Referendum.

[vetuste_ennemi]

This seems to be an excellent idea.

Firstly Scotland decides to leave the Union (that's us - England/Scotland).

Then the rest of the UK has a "people's vote" without the five million Remain Ians.

We minus the Scots leave the EU without paying the Danegeld. Scotland has left the Union, foregone its Barnier formula crumbs, but invited new dues to its new EU liege lords and embracing its new future as an independent and self-governing country and various other intellectual confusions.

The popular phrase is "What's not to like", isn't it?

To be honest, I like the Union to which Scotland has played such a big part. But if I can chuck the Scots under a bus to get Brexit then - and witjh regret - so be it.

[david small]

Geographically we are one small island. The Scottish and the Welsh are bonded to us by blood and history. I love Scotland and Wales. Our petty quibbles and bickering about each other just emphasise the shallow perceptions of our own heritage. For me, one for all, and all for one, bus and all.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Question prompted by QT, Dave.

Extremely irritated and frustrated.

NTake the nght of the Scottish Referendum. I began the night watching Salmond etc. Out and good riddance, thought I, but ended it with pleasure: the Scots said "stay". Which kind of said that I had a deeper principle than the superficial irritation.

Since the Jacobite rebellions Scotland has been one of England's and the world's greatest contributors to the world of thought and science. I like Hume and Smith.
There's Jim's mate James Clerk Maxwell, to name one of the other the obvious ones. Isn't there there the engineer who got the idea of the geolical column by tunneling through rock when he was constructing the railways? Long before Darwin innit? Etc etc.

Why would people with such a shared culture want to dispute territory apart from political ambition?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Why would Scotland think that replacing "servitude" to London with servitude to Brussels honour the spirit of William Wallace/

[youngmafbog]

Let the English vote for Scotish Independence. SNP should be happy too then.

Maybe the continual whining will stop then when hey are in EUtopia

[Peter Pedant]

and um what is the question on the third brexit thread of the day?

good idea - yes?

if you say so - bit cold outside innit?

[Peter Pedant]

// NTake the nght of the Scottish ........ deeper principle than the superficial irritation. //

aargh - first sentence doesnt have a main verb
second sentence makes it up with three ( main verbs)
third sentence begins with 'which'. No one speaks like that (Some like it hot)

are we meant to take this seriously ?
or only take note that it is the third of the day ?

[Old_Geezer]

We no more want a border between England and Scotland than we did between Northern Ireland and Eire. Surely the error of breakaway independence is clear by now. Especially when the area breaking away is unlikely to get EU funding either for ages or at all.

[ichkeria]

Except that if you believe opinion polls about 20% of Scots would vote for independence were it offered now.
Haven’t you forgotten Wales and N Ireland in your “union”
I think what comments like the above show is just how much an English (and to extent Welsh) project Brexit is. It certainly isn’t the UK clamouring for Independence as a certain party’s name implies.
Then again maybe this is a wind-up and I’ve fallen for it :-)

[mbenaud]

The union is more than 2 and chuck the Scots is a bad use of language

[anneasquith]

I’m sorry boys, this issue seems to be scape many of you. As Englishmen you are not aloud a vote.

[naomi24]

You should plump for it, anneasquith. Chances are you'd get the independence you so crave then.

[anneasquith]

Tut tut Naomi, I have never I stated I’m in agreement with all snp. All I want is the best outcome for Scotland .

[naomi24]

Mmmm ....

[retrocop]

//As Englishmen you are not aloud a vote.//
Can I vote quietly then?

[anneasquith]

Point noted rc, not really bothered though .

[ToraToraTora]

is it fashionable to name things as the opposite of what they are? Lib (non)dems, (no)changeuk, and Scottish different dependence. They want to leave the UK and bend the knee to the EUSSR, how is that independence? It's just about the blue facers hating the English.

[anneasquith]

I see out politics scholar has joined us . ;*)

[retrocop]

//I’m sorry boys, this issue seems to be scape many of you. As Englishmen you are not aloud a vote.//

Funny that. Neither are thousands of Scotsmen and women who live in England not allowed to vote.
My late Father in Law Dr HA Jones was born in Edinburgh,educated at a prominent School in Edinburgh and studied medecine at Edinburgh University.He was a Gp most of his working life in the West Midlands.
He couldn't vote either but at least appreciated the English and would have voted remain in the union if he were allowed.
Why were ex pat Scots not allowed to vote I wonder?

[anneasquith]

Retrocop, I see your FIL. Got the best education in Scotland. Did he stay long after graduating ?

[steg]

//Maybe the continual whining will stop then when hey are in EUtopia//

I’m amazed you can here any “whining” above your own....lol