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Nigel Farage: Uk Will See 'bodies Washing Up' On Beaches
//Nigel Farage has said the UK will start to see "bodies washing up" on British beaches if asylum is grated to the 18 Albanians rescued off the coast of Kent on Sunday. It is understood that 5 Albanians rescued from the sinking dinghy have claimed asylum and the remaining 13 will be deported from Britain. His comments come after a former border force chief inspector claimed repeated warnings that Britain's coastline would be flooded with migrants were ignored on his watch.//
Will granting asylum to any of these people encourage others to come? I think so. For their own safety, if nothing else, we should make it clear that no one arriving by this route will be allowed to remain here.
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Will granting asylum to any of these people encourage others to come? I think so. For their own safety, if nothing else, we should make it clear that no one arriving by this route will be allowed to remain here.
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Absolutely, we will end up being a ferry service in the med and a ferry service in the channel, if we are going to do this we may as well bring them straight from the med to here.
We need to nip this in the bud straight away otherwise more will try it and give any people smugglers a very heavy fine and a prison sentence.
Dave.
We need to nip this in the bud straight away otherwise more will try it and give any people smugglers a very heavy fine and a prison sentence.
Dave.
the libyan authorities (such as they are) said more or less the same thing about the situation in the med:-
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fishing these people out of the drink may well be the "humanitarian" thing to do. but a belief by those still to make the crossing that they will be scooped from disaster and taken to italy will do nothing but encourage them.
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fishing these people out of the drink may well be the "humanitarian" thing to do. but a belief by those still to make the crossing that they will be scooped from disaster and taken to italy will do nothing but encourage them.
Absolutely agree.
Harsh as it may sound, it needs to be made absolutely clear that no rescue operations will take place in the English Channel. Furthermore, it should be made clear than any people making it here illegally from France have no claim to asylum (they lost that privilege when they failed to submit to the authorities in the first safe country they arrived in).
In the case of Albanians there is a further issue. As has been mentioned, Albania is a candidate nation to join the EU. (As an aside, a glance at the list should be enough by itself to prompt people to vote to leave). Albanians already have visa-free access to the Schengen area (another reason to leave). Looking at the current status of their application, particularly with regard to Human Rights (upon which basis this mob are obviously basing their claim for asylum) it seems the EU is already actively working with – and providing considerable funding for – the improvement of human rights in Albania. If any EU country is minded to grant Albanians asylum it is clear that the EU has, as a candidate member, a nation where people feel compelled to flee for their lives. So do we really want to be part of an organisation which, in the not too distant future, will have as a member such a nation.
Once again this is a problem if not caused, then certainly exacerbated by the EU. Albanians can enter the EU without a visa and are free to roam up to the Channel ports in perfect safety but then have to risk their lives to cross the Channel to claim asylum. Wake up, you Remainers, please.
Harsh as it may sound, it needs to be made absolutely clear that no rescue operations will take place in the English Channel. Furthermore, it should be made clear than any people making it here illegally from France have no claim to asylum (they lost that privilege when they failed to submit to the authorities in the first safe country they arrived in).
In the case of Albanians there is a further issue. As has been mentioned, Albania is a candidate nation to join the EU. (As an aside, a glance at the list should be enough by itself to prompt people to vote to leave). Albanians already have visa-free access to the Schengen area (another reason to leave). Looking at the current status of their application, particularly with regard to Human Rights (upon which basis this mob are obviously basing their claim for asylum) it seems the EU is already actively working with – and providing considerable funding for – the improvement of human rights in Albania. If any EU country is minded to grant Albanians asylum it is clear that the EU has, as a candidate member, a nation where people feel compelled to flee for their lives. So do we really want to be part of an organisation which, in the not too distant future, will have as a member such a nation.
Once again this is a problem if not caused, then certainly exacerbated by the EU. Albanians can enter the EU without a visa and are free to roam up to the Channel ports in perfect safety but then have to risk their lives to cross the Channel to claim asylum. Wake up, you Remainers, please.
“I wonder how much cooperation we will get in preventing these people crossing the channel if we come out of the EU?”
Probably about as much as we’re getting now – not too much. The French have allowed this situation to develop firstly by signing the Schengen Agreement and effectively moving their border to eastern Europe. Then they followed it up by not controlling the illegal migrants that entered their country from the east, allowing them to roam and settle where they wished. They have sub-contracted out their responsibilites to control their borders to countries not capable of doing so and are not too fussed about a few Albanians setting off across the Channel in rubber boats.
If you are suggesting that the French may rescind the “Le Touquet” agreement (which allows for juxtaposed border controls in the UK and France) think again. As I have explained before that agreement is nothing to do with the EU or with EU membership. It is a bilateral agreement between the UK and France. As I have also explained, it is not in France’s interests to opt out of it. The Port of Calais has just embarked on a one billion euro development scheme. Hauliers have plenty of options to cross the Channel other than via Calais and if the going gets too tough via that route (i.e. if they get fined £2k for every clandestine that clambers on to one of their trucks) they will go elsewhere. It simply won’t happen. Business thrives despite the best efforts of politicians to make things difficult. Businessmen and women ensure that and politicians should be wise to it by now.
Probably about as much as we’re getting now – not too much. The French have allowed this situation to develop firstly by signing the Schengen Agreement and effectively moving their border to eastern Europe. Then they followed it up by not controlling the illegal migrants that entered their country from the east, allowing them to roam and settle where they wished. They have sub-contracted out their responsibilites to control their borders to countries not capable of doing so and are not too fussed about a few Albanians setting off across the Channel in rubber boats.
If you are suggesting that the French may rescind the “Le Touquet” agreement (which allows for juxtaposed border controls in the UK and France) think again. As I have explained before that agreement is nothing to do with the EU or with EU membership. It is a bilateral agreement between the UK and France. As I have also explained, it is not in France’s interests to opt out of it. The Port of Calais has just embarked on a one billion euro development scheme. Hauliers have plenty of options to cross the Channel other than via Calais and if the going gets too tough via that route (i.e. if they get fined £2k for every clandestine that clambers on to one of their trucks) they will go elsewhere. It simply won’t happen. Business thrives despite the best efforts of politicians to make things difficult. Businessmen and women ensure that and politicians should be wise to it by now.
I'd rather have the OPs opinion please. You may all want to read this little article from the FT about a month ago:
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"NJ - they can still do that [cross the Channel on rubber boats] if we "come out of the EU though"
If we stay in the EU they won't have to, 237. Wen Albania is afforded full membership (which it will) they will have automatic right not only to travel here by more conventional means, but will also have the right to settle, work and claim benefits here. They will also be entitled to housing, healthcare and their children will be entitled to education. Sounds good? Well if you relish the thought of that you can add in the citizens of the other four candidate nations (Montenegoro, Serbia, Macedonia and Turkey).
Four of these five nations have income levels about 10% of the UK's. Turkey about a quarter. So, ask yourself this: do you think all the citizens of those countries are going to remain where they are? They are already risking their lives to get here when they are not entitled to come. What are they going to do when they are?
If we stay in the EU they won't have to, 237. Wen Albania is afforded full membership (which it will) they will have automatic right not only to travel here by more conventional means, but will also have the right to settle, work and claim benefits here. They will also be entitled to housing, healthcare and their children will be entitled to education. Sounds good? Well if you relish the thought of that you can add in the citizens of the other four candidate nations (Montenegoro, Serbia, Macedonia and Turkey).
Four of these five nations have income levels about 10% of the UK's. Turkey about a quarter. So, ask yourself this: do you think all the citizens of those countries are going to remain where they are? They are already risking their lives to get here when they are not entitled to come. What are they going to do when they are?
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