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fraud by misrepresentation using supermarket voucher.
Just wanted to have some views on this.
My friend was attested for fraud by misrepresentation for using a supermarket coupon more then once. Most of the vouchers are unique but 2 of them was the same coupon but in 2 separate transactions. The voucher states that you can only use the voucher once. You have to visit the supermarket website to print it out, however you can more then 1 of them. The supermarket staff does not ask for the reciept at the time so that you could use the voucher again and again. etc.
A couple of months before this he was stoped and the police was called to the supermarket and the polcie told him that he had found a loophole but should give it arest for the day. He was allowed to leave without arrest. In further contact with the police about that time the officers are saying that the store didnt offer anything to the police for arrest.
The voucher states that you need to bring the reciept with you but he left it in the car but the supermarket would not allow him to go and fetch it and in all the time with the police he was not asked to provide them. I guess using the voucher more then once in the same supermarket but in 2 transaction would mean that it does not matter.
My question is that if you break a terms and condition that is misredemption which in the UK is not illegal.
To bring you upto date. He was charged with it. When to Court and asked for this to be heard in a crown court and pled not guilty.
A couple of more questions would be that if you print a voucher on the net and then printed the same one again is that the same voucher? If you bought a mars bar in the store, does that mean your allowed to take them all? The are the same. a copy.. If you get my point.
My friend was attested for fraud by misrepresentation for using a supermarket coupon more then once. Most of the vouchers are unique but 2 of them was the same coupon but in 2 separate transactions. The voucher states that you can only use the voucher once. You have to visit the supermarket website to print it out, however you can more then 1 of them. The supermarket staff does not ask for the reciept at the time so that you could use the voucher again and again. etc.
A couple of months before this he was stoped and the police was called to the supermarket and the polcie told him that he had found a loophole but should give it arest for the day. He was allowed to leave without arrest. In further contact with the police about that time the officers are saying that the store didnt offer anything to the police for arrest.
The voucher states that you need to bring the reciept with you but he left it in the car but the supermarket would not allow him to go and fetch it and in all the time with the police he was not asked to provide them. I guess using the voucher more then once in the same supermarket but in 2 transaction would mean that it does not matter.
My question is that if you break a terms and condition that is misredemption which in the UK is not illegal.
To bring you upto date. He was charged with it. When to Court and asked for this to be heard in a crown court and pled not guilty.
A couple of more questions would be that if you print a voucher on the net and then printed the same one again is that the same voucher? If you bought a mars bar in the store, does that mean your allowed to take them all? The are the same. a copy.. If you get my point.
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from your (very confusing) post, it seems like you are saying that your friend had done this on many occasions AND continued to do it after he had been told by the police to "give it a rest" As the police had been called about this before, why did he continue? As regards to your actual questions - the first one "f you break a terms and condition that is misredemption which in the UK is not illegal." is not a question.
the second and third questions are 2) yes 3)no
the second and third questions are 2) yes 3)no
"Voucher fraud is booming thanks to computer technology that allows coupons to be copied and printed. Genuine coupons that should be used only once are also being used again and again.
It has emerged that one woman was cautioned by police on Friday after she copied a money-off coupon and used it several times in a Sainsbury’s store.
Read more: http://www.thisismone...ud.html#ixzz1gb4dxj1w
It has emerged that one woman was cautioned by police on Friday after she copied a money-off coupon and used it several times in a Sainsbury’s store.
Read more: http://www.thisismone...ud.html#ixzz1gb4dxj1w
exdc's link is very informative we should all read it before making more comments .
coreman the 'friend' would not be you by chance ? You seem to be going to a lot of trouble on someone elses behalf.
It is quite obvious that is is not a 'one off' and that a considerable amount of money was involved, again read exdc's link !
coreman the 'friend' would not be you by chance ? You seem to be going to a lot of trouble on someone elses behalf.
It is quite obvious that is is not a 'one off' and that a considerable amount of money was involved, again read exdc's link !
Eddie51's article is informative and i understand things a bit better now. I'm still not clear what vouchers/coupons are involved in the scam.
I can see that whereas the cashier normally takes coupons off you, some shoppers are going through the self service, keeping them and reusing them.
But surely it can't be quarterly clubcard vouchers. These are numbered so I would hope the till system could check instantly they had been used previously- otherwise I could use my vouchers online and then reuse them in store.
If it's not Clubcard vouchers I can't see what vouchers can have such high values.
Anyway, I understand Coreman's post now and I can see now the possible scale of the friend's fraud and why he has been charged
I can see that whereas the cashier normally takes coupons off you, some shoppers are going through the self service, keeping them and reusing them.
But surely it can't be quarterly clubcard vouchers. These are numbered so I would hope the till system could check instantly they had been used previously- otherwise I could use my vouchers online and then reuse them in store.
If it's not Clubcard vouchers I can't see what vouchers can have such high values.
Anyway, I understand Coreman's post now and I can see now the possible scale of the friend's fraud and why he has been charged
The police and CPS DO get involved with this sort of fraud.
And back in July, a Cambridgeshire couple were sentenced to a 12-month community order and ordered to pay £500 in compensation after pleading guilty to obtaining almost £1,100 worth of free groceries from a Tesco store, by fraudulently re-using a voucher.
The couple had discovered that their issued £17.50 voucher would be accepted numerous times at a self-service checkout, and so re-used it a whopping 62 times!
http://www.lovemoney....against-voucher-fraud
And back in July, a Cambridgeshire couple were sentenced to a 12-month community order and ordered to pay £500 in compensation after pleading guilty to obtaining almost £1,100 worth of free groceries from a Tesco store, by fraudulently re-using a voucher.
The couple had discovered that their issued £17.50 voucher would be accepted numerous times at a self-service checkout, and so re-used it a whopping 62 times!
http://www.lovemoney....against-voucher-fraud
Factor,a simple block put on the Barcode after 1st. use would have stopped this happening.Trouble is Supermarkets are too busy trying to get your cash they overlook the simplest of things.They deserve everything they get for their stupidity.If I had known about anything like this I,and thousands of others would have probably done the same thing.Letting someone use a Voucher 62 times smacks of gross negligence on their part.
Everhelpful, so your attitude is 'I stole because they made it too easy for me.'
Next step - 'I knicked the old girl's purse because she left her handbag open.'
'I had to steal the car because the damned fool left it with the engine running.'
'So what, she was asking for it, it's all her fault and serves her right.'
It's not the supermarket's fault that some customers are dishonest thieving scumbags.
Next step - 'I knicked the old girl's purse because she left her handbag open.'
'I had to steal the car because the damned fool left it with the engine running.'
'So what, she was asking for it, it's all her fault and serves her right.'
It's not the supermarket's fault that some customers are dishonest thieving scumbags.
Thank you, hc4361
Everhelpful- I agree that the supermarkets have been negligent in not thinking this through and putting controls in place, but I don't think that makes fraud acceptable. Your argument is no different to me than saying it's okay to swipe the bar code for a 50p tin of beans then discard it and put an unscanned £5 jar of coffee in your bag instead
Everhelpful- I agree that the supermarkets have been negligent in not thinking this through and putting controls in place, but I don't think that makes fraud acceptable. Your argument is no different to me than saying it's okay to swipe the bar code for a 50p tin of beans then discard it and put an unscanned £5 jar of coffee in your bag instead
I am astonished at the amount of people who think 'fiddling' is acceptable these days.
Illegal downloads of films, music, games and eBooks is considered okay, just because they are sat at home and they can. Finding ways to circumvent the employer's blocks so they can use ebay, facebook, twitter etc during working hours (how dare they try to stop me accessing the internet!), buying fake goods knowingly, selling pirate dvds, fiddling the benefits system, using proxy ip addresses to access British tv abroad..
I don't suppose things have changed though. Crime increased by over 50% in London during the blitz, with looting bombed houses topping the chart.
Illegal downloads of films, music, games and eBooks is considered okay, just because they are sat at home and they can. Finding ways to circumvent the employer's blocks so they can use ebay, facebook, twitter etc during working hours (how dare they try to stop me accessing the internet!), buying fake goods knowingly, selling pirate dvds, fiddling the benefits system, using proxy ip addresses to access British tv abroad..
I don't suppose things have changed though. Crime increased by over 50% in London during the blitz, with looting bombed houses topping the chart.
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