Scotland Yard To Seek Law Change To Allow Positive Discrimination.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/02/met-police-law-positive-discrimination

They wish to change the present law so that a white police officer cannot be recruited unless a black or minority ethnic person can be recruited at the same" time.

Do you agree with this or will it cause more segregation than it is meant to prevent?

They were discussing this on a radio phone-in this morning and a spokesman for the Black Police Officer's association said that "there are areas in London were black householders will refuse to open their doors to a white police officer", and he found this quite acceptable.

Where will all this end, will it be deemed necessary to send along a Rumanian police office to a house occupied by Romanians, or even a black, Somalian, Muslim police officer, to a house so occupied by a black Somalian Muslim, or women refusing unless the officer is female etc?

This is all getting too ridiculous for words in the strive to introduce a true multi ethnic Britain. When are some going to realise that we are still a majority white European Christian country, and if anyone refuses to open their doors to a police officer independent of his or her colour, the police are in their right to knock down their door.

Apart from the fact that if a white person refused to open their door because the officer was black, they would face much more than just having their door knocked down.

[FredPuli43]

It's a reaction to a white police service preferring the potential recruits who looked like them.

Positive discrimination fuels the very dislike that it is meant to oppose. A person who is white and not, in any way given to racist thoughts. is entitled to feel aggrieved that they were passed over in favour of a black candidate simply because that candidate was black.

The answer is to educate our society not to be racist. All else is bound to fail. But there is hope. Young people are far less likely to be racist than their parents or grandparents, and their parents less racist than the grandparents, so, in time, the problem will disappear.

[jim360]

Positive discrimination in favour of Black people is indeed negative discrimination against others, and should be avoided.

[jake-the-peg]

//and if anyone refuses to open their doors to a police officer independent of his or her colour, the police are in their right to knock down their door//


This sounds a very odd thing to say

Are you telling us you wouldn't open your door to a Police office if they were black?

[Bazile]

//... and if anyone refuses to open their doors to a police officer independent of his or her colour, the police are in their right to knock down their door. //

Crikey when did we become a police state ?
So if the police came knocking on my door to ask me about that noisy neighbour a few doors up the road , they can kick it in , if i refuse to open it ?

[Zeuhl]

/if anyone refuses to open their doors to a police officer independent of his or her colour, the police are in their right to knock down their door./


Bit OTT if they are just handing out NHW leaflets AOG

[Bazile]

//...When are some going to realise that we are still a majority white European Christian country, ...//

lol ..You wouldn't have thought so , if you venture into Religion & Spirituality , on here

[Zeuhl]

/When are some going to realise that we are still a majority white European Christian country/

Well The Met still seem to be in the 1950s (is that what you like AOG) while their constituency has changed somewhat

From your link:

/Nine out of 10 Met officers are white, while the latest census data shows London's population is 40% minority ethnic./

[FredPuli43]

aog, in what circumstances is any police officer allowed to kick down anyone's door?

In the good old days of your past, if it was the case that police could kick down a door simply because they were refused entry, those days weren't good.

[bazwillrun]

From the sublime to the ridiculous.

"hen are some going to realise that we are still a majority white European Christian country"

some of you seem to have a problem with that and want to change that staus quo, seems like youre ashamed to be white.

strange how most asians just get on with things yet black seem to always need it handed to them on a plate.......

[FredPuli43]

Baz, do you have any evidence of blacks, as a whole, wanting it handed to them on a plate andof Asians, as a whole, not thinking so?

[Zeuhl]

/and want to change that staus quo/

bazzer

the 'status quo' isn't the status quo in London already - that's the point

/seems like youre ashamed to be white./

Now you're just allowing your over-wrought imagination to make your posts silly

[dave50]

The problem with positive discrimination is that as soon as someone from a minority group is employed or promoted there will always be the suspicion that they succeeded because of their colour or disability or whatever instead of their ability, which could make it difficult to gain the respect of their colleagues. Everything should be based on talent or ability, nothing else, there should be no quotas and no counting of groups.

[Bazile]

//In a Guardian interview, the Metropolitan police assistant commissioner Simon Byrne said the plans the Met were examining would mean they "could only recruit, in very broad terms, a white officer if you can recruit a black or minority ethnic person at the same" time.//

' black or minority ethnic person ...'

What does that mean - are blacks the mojority ethnic group in this country ?

[Bazile]

Is there any evidence that there is any great desire from people in the ' ethnic groups ' wanting to become police officers ?

[bazwillrun]

"Now you're just allowing your over-wrought imagination to make your posts silly"

as opposed to your guilt wrought imagination about blacks......you need to get over the slavery thing !

@Fred
take your blinkers off , where have you been for the last few decades.

dontcha just get sick of it ..blacks this, blacks that.....


"in the strive to introduce a true multi ethnic Britain"

why do we need that so badly ?

[Zeuhl]

/as opposed to your guilt wrought imagination about blacks......you need to get over the slavery thing ! /

And your evidence of that is?.....

Thought not

bazzer's usual silly ***

[Zeuhl]

bazzer's usual silly bowlocks

[jake-the-peg]

I think Bazile's point is very pertinent

This is a bit of a 'hearts and minds' thing and it's also rather 'Catch 22'

If the Police is seen as a 'white institution' it will put off many people from ethnic minorities from wanting to join.

Exactly the way the RUC was seen as a 'protestant institution' - this 1:1 recruitment matching is according to that link one of the policies used in NI to get around that.

I'd really hope that we're not in need of such draconian action yet - but maybe we are

[sp1814]

Sorry, but that sounds like absolute hogwash.

I have never, ever, ever heard of a black householder calling the police and then not allowing a white officer in.

Whoever said that is talking nonsense just to make a case.

As for a change in the law to increase the number of black recruits...very unlikely to work...because whilst 40% of Londoners may be from various ethnic minorities, it doesn't translate that 40% of the Met could possibly be made up of non white British recruits, simply because that would mean a VAST number of black/Asian/Chinese etc recruits suddenly signing up.

That's just not going to happen.

In this respect the ideas, whilst based on a perfectly reasonable principle...are seriously flawed.

[Bazile]

Apparently positive discrimination is actively promoted by our neighbours , in Sweeden .

It would be interesting to know what has been their experience , to date