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Childs bus pass
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As the TFL childrens travel pass is just to prove that the child is a student and too young to pay the bus fare - is it ok when the child loses or misplaces his pass to take his passport on the bus to show the inspector or bus driver thereby proving his age?..I ask because my 13 year old grandson recently misplaced his one day and an inspector issued him with a £50 fine!!!!! He looks like a normal 13year old child - not someone older who is trying to fiddle the fare....What sort of a man would issue a £50 fine to a school child...
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“...the TFL childrens travel pass is just to prove that the child is a student and too young to pay the bus fare”
No it is not, katerich. It is the authority to travel issued specifically to children in London. So it not only confirms the age qualification, but it also confirms that the child is resident in the area covered by the Greater London Authority. Generally children from outside the London area do not qualify for free travel (although there are one or two exceptions). Some areas provide free bus travel for journeys to and from school but few if any (none to my knowledge) provide unlimited travel as provided in London.
Bus drivers need some document which shows entitlement to free travel. They cannot be expected to fanny around examining passports and calculating ages when they have a queue of people waiting to get on. Adults must make sure that they have the required documents when they travel and I see no reason why children who are old enough to travel alone should be treated any differently.
I imagine the inspector has a procedure set down by his employers which dictate how he should deal with a situation such as you describe.
No it is not, katerich. It is the authority to travel issued specifically to children in London. So it not only confirms the age qualification, but it also confirms that the child is resident in the area covered by the Greater London Authority. Generally children from outside the London area do not qualify for free travel (although there are one or two exceptions). Some areas provide free bus travel for journeys to and from school but few if any (none to my knowledge) provide unlimited travel as provided in London.
Bus drivers need some document which shows entitlement to free travel. They cannot be expected to fanny around examining passports and calculating ages when they have a queue of people waiting to get on. Adults must make sure that they have the required documents when they travel and I see no reason why children who are old enough to travel alone should be treated any differently.
I imagine the inspector has a procedure set down by his employers which dictate how he should deal with a situation such as you describe.
I think it is a Zip oyster card that is issued for 11-15 year olds in London for free travel in the region.
Losing the card will require you to report the fact as soon as you are aware and there may well be a payment required for a replacement card to be issued.
There has to be some deterrent against not having the appropriate travel documents which would not only reflect the age of young person but also that he lived in the correct area, if you feel the charge of £50 was too great there will be an appeal procedure, probably within a strict time scale.
Losing the card will require you to report the fact as soon as you are aware and there may well be a payment required for a replacement card to be issued.
There has to be some deterrent against not having the appropriate travel documents which would not only reflect the age of young person but also that he lived in the correct area, if you feel the charge of £50 was too great there will be an appeal procedure, probably within a strict time scale.
Bang to rights, I'm afraid.
The Zip scheme was introduced on 7 January 2008 to provide young people that qualify for concessionary travel on TfL services with an Oyster photocard that confirms their eligibility to access free or reduced rate fares. Young people over the age of 11 who travel while not in possession of a Zip photocard or an alternative valid authority to travel may be issued a Penalty Fare Notice or prosecuted.
The penalty fare is £80. This will be reduced to £40 if you pay within 21 days. Penalty fares increased from £50 to £80 from the 2 January 2012, this will be enforced from 19 February 2012.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14436.aspx
Access to concessionary travel is not an entitlement. It is a privilege that must be respected. With a Zip photocard comes the responsibility to behave considerately and in such a way that does not adversely affect fellow passengers. For this reason, all participants in both the 11-15 and 16+ Oyster photocard schemes (and the older 14-15, Under 14 and Child Oyster photocard schemes) are required to sign up to a Behaviour Code as part of the application process.
The Behaviour Code states that expected behaviours include, but are not limited to, the following:
Look after your Oyster photocard - If it is lost, stolen or damaged, report it to TfL immediately even if you do not plan to get a replacement straight away
Use your Oyster photocard correctly - Pay the correct fare if you do not have your valid photocard with you or it is damaged
http://www.tfl.gov.uk...nforcement-policy.pdf
BTW Zip Oyster 11-15 has no geographic limiting criteria for applications - residents anywhere in the world may apply for this concession of TfL services.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14310.aspx
The Zip scheme was introduced on 7 January 2008 to provide young people that qualify for concessionary travel on TfL services with an Oyster photocard that confirms their eligibility to access free or reduced rate fares. Young people over the age of 11 who travel while not in possession of a Zip photocard or an alternative valid authority to travel may be issued a Penalty Fare Notice or prosecuted.
The penalty fare is £80. This will be reduced to £40 if you pay within 21 days. Penalty fares increased from £50 to £80 from the 2 January 2012, this will be enforced from 19 February 2012.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14436.aspx
Access to concessionary travel is not an entitlement. It is a privilege that must be respected. With a Zip photocard comes the responsibility to behave considerately and in such a way that does not adversely affect fellow passengers. For this reason, all participants in both the 11-15 and 16+ Oyster photocard schemes (and the older 14-15, Under 14 and Child Oyster photocard schemes) are required to sign up to a Behaviour Code as part of the application process.
The Behaviour Code states that expected behaviours include, but are not limited to, the following:
Look after your Oyster photocard - If it is lost, stolen or damaged, report it to TfL immediately even if you do not plan to get a replacement straight away
Use your Oyster photocard correctly - Pay the correct fare if you do not have your valid photocard with you or it is damaged
http://www.tfl.gov.uk...nforcement-policy.pdf
BTW Zip Oyster 11-15 has no geographic limiting criteria for applications - residents anywhere in the world may apply for this concession of TfL services.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14310.aspx
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