Going to Crown Court

[iamjack]

Hi

Basically I am appealing my sentence and conviction I received at a magistrates court.

I was found guilty of using the wrong ticket to board a tube.

My appeal will be heard at crown court.

Can you please tell me the likely costs if I lose the appeal.

I am a student and don't have much money, is the costs I will have to pay means tested and based on how much money I have.

The trial shouldn't last longer than an hour.

Any rough idea's of costs would be great

Many thanks

[ojread2]

Connemara, the criminal record wont be scrapped, as if lol
A crime is a crime is a crime not matter and the fine and conviction warnings are on the tubes for all to see

Can you imagine all the people caught who say 'Oh I didn't know it was the wring ticket'? It is the traveller's responsibility to check and double check
I'm thinking OP, you bought your ticket form where ever asking for a ticket form A to B and used it form C to D

The OP will have been asked at the tie of sentence whether he could pay all of it or pay in instalments, and then was the time to speak up, that is not the issue here at all

[Connemmara]

I know Sandyroe I agree it is not the most serious offence but he is only a kid and has been on AB for half an hour and a criminal record is a big big thing to him. The word "criminal" he is worried that it will follow him.

[bednobs]

i don't really get it - if you admit you used the wrong ticket, how do you expect to be found not guilty - by your own admission you ARE guilty. You are not guilty of trying to deliberately defraud the tube, but you are guilty of using the wrong ticket, which is what the charge is by the sound of it.
Just pay the fine and get on with it - what kind of things do you think this'll hold you back on?

[iamjack]

I have paid the fine.

I am only worry about the cost of appealing to the crown court and my hearing is next week

[sandyRoe]

I don't suppose the police would accept anyone with a record, and a job as a ticket inspector on the railways must now be considered unlikely.

[iamjack]

I used the ticket by mistake I only admitted I was guilty because I thought that would look better for me and they may be kinder to me when giving me my sentence.

I now know that is not how it works.

Please I have argue my point for so long now, I am 100% not guilty but I done a stupid thing at the magistrates court

[ojread2]

Why did you not try to find the costs before you put in your appeal?

I suppose it depends on what kind of job the OP wants as to whether or not the appeal process is even worth looking at for him.

You've had an answer jack, and that answer is no one, not even a solicitor knows how much

[bednobs]

^^^^ lol sandy. Seriously what are you studying to do? The vast majority of jobs have no right to ask you about your criminal convictions

[ojread2]

But Jack, you are 100% guilty

[ojread2]

Any job can ask about criminal convictions

[bednobs]

so you admitted you were guilty, found guilty and now want to appeal the fact they found you guilty????!!!! Unbelieveable

[ojread2]

quite lol

[sandyRoe]

Did you know that your name here was used by a fool who impeded the search for the Yorkshire Ripper by putting the police on the wrong track?

[bednobs]

anyway, after 5 years you don't have to declare it unless you work in a job that is not covered by the rehabilitation of offenders act (if you were over 18 at the time of conviction) Even if you have to declare it, i would suggest that the vast majority of employers would be happy if you were to explain it was a mistake

[douglas9401]

A career in owl husbandry is one of the few which disregards conviction up to and including fraternising under bridges.

Yours etc

B Gruff.

[iamjack]

Towards the end of January I was stopped by a Revenue Control Inspector and found to be travelling an incorrect ticket (my sister’s disability freedom pass). During my time with the Revenue Control Inspector I asked him if the process would go any further (i.e.to court) to which he replied 'No it is just a warning.' As a result of being late and feeling incredibly nervous I agreed with everything that he said as I wanted to leave as soon as possible. I did this as I thought that it would just be a warning or in the worst case a fine.

A few weeks later I was terrified when I received a letter informing me that TFL would be prosecuting me. I lost countless hours of sleep worrying about the impending trial. I was sincerely remorseful and apologetic to TFL and offered a financial settlement and my time and services as a volunteer as I was committed to making amends for my mistake.

I was retuning my sister’s freedom pass to her as she had left it around my grandmother’s house. My oyster card and her freedom pass both have the same covers on them. The next day I still had my sister’s card in my trouser pocket which is when I used it by mistake.
As this was my first ever offence and court hearing, I naively pleaded guilty thinking that my full cooperation, sincere remorse, good character and being apologetic would be enough to hopefully help me avoiding a criminal record. I now know that this is not really how it works and I feel I have made a huge mistake in pleading guilty.

I was fined £239.30 which I paid on the day as I had no problem paying for my mistake. However, the fact I have received a criminal record has devastated me and cannot stop thinking about the different decisions I should have made.
Throughout this whole process I have made many mistakes. This has truly been the worst six months of my life. The fact that I now have a criminal record is constantly haunting me and I fear I have made the single biggest mistake of my life. I believe that my naivety and stupidity has cost me my future and would plead for another chance to straighten this whole situation out.

I am aware that there is a deadline to send an appeal. I have sent it off and it should reach you before then. However, if it does not I would like to apologize and explain that it was late due to the fact I have been tirelessly seeking as much help and advice as possible as I do not want to make the same mistakes as before.

Lastly I would like to thank you for taking the time to read my appeal.


Hopefully this will clear things up

[bednobs]

well if you feel you made a big mistake, I feel you are making an even bigger one by pursuing the appeal (i am in fact rather surprised they let you appeal at all)

[iamjack]

What is wrong with my appeal?

I have made a real mistake

[ojread2]

"Towards the end of January I was stopped by a Revenue Control Inspector and found to be travelling an incorrect ticket (my sister’s disability freedom pass)"

Just gets worse and worse

[bednobs]

I am sorry i am not a law person, but i just doubted that an appeal would be allowed simply because someone has changed their mind after the trial about their plea. Perhaps i am wrong. Anyway, you will most likely be in the same situation after a crown court trial except with a bigger bill (in my opinion, based on what you've told us)
Like i say though, i am not a law person. Perhaps your solicitor has told you different