why do the police HAVE to lie

[nailit]

Are they that desperate to get convictions?
Im in crown court in 2 weeks on an 'alleged' offence of affrey. Ive recently obtained copies of all my notes (wittnes statments, police statments etc) and what the police are saying is a complete croc of cr*p). I now have to disprove the police. How on earth can I disprove hearsay from supposed officers of the law?
I dont even think that I'll be in court. Im seriously thinking of ending my life.

[joko]

what is it they are lying about?

what didnt you do that they are saying you did?

to have a massive change on the outcome the lies would have to be quite big -but minor differences of perception and opinion may change it somewhat but probably not much more.

(im not saying police dont lie of course)

[EDDIE51]

No nailit don't even think of ending it.
You know what really happened and you have to stand up in court and tell the truth. I know it sounds hard but once you get into it , it will become a lot easier. You have to go through all the statements word by word and look for all that is wrong and make carefull notes of what really happened. get your side of things sorted out and written down to look at to in court.

[EDDIE51]

There is a lot more to this story AB ers, you need to look a nailit 's profile to get the full story.

[dickythecook]

Interesting timeline

[Twenty20]

Goodness me, some people have an awful lot of problems with the Police.

[Duncer]

"I now have to disprove the police."

My understanding, limited though it is, is that the police have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that actually you did what it is that they are alleging you did.

[Just-Jude]

...and will say anything to prove it!

[bednobs]

i think joko has it - there is your version of events, their versions of events and the truth probably lies somewhere in hte moddle

[VictorMildew]

nailit, did you happen to have alcohol inside you at the time of the alleged offence?

[wolf63]

I've tried to read through your previous posts - so I apologise if I have missed something relevant.

Are you taking antidepressants that your doctor has prescribed? These tablets are not wonder drugs but they should help. They make it easier for you to cope with all the bad stuff going on in life and all the destructive thoughts in your head.

Remember that your brain is working in a 'wonky' way just now - your view is all negative and maybe even paranoid.

The policemen have nothing to gain from lying in court - there is no personal vendetta nor are they ganging up against you. Their reports state only what they saw - a man with a knife.

I presume that you are representing yourself at court - this is probably not a brilliant idea. Why don't you find some legal representation and see what they can do to help you.

It is hard to envisage a time when you will not be depressed and where life will seem worth living. But you will get there - it is hard work though.

Best wishes

[wolf63]

Had a thought -

how much could the policeman see from the doorway of the kitchen?

Were you standing directly in front of the doorway? Were you visible to all the officers?

[nailit]

Thanks for replies. I'd had a few drinks when I posted this yesterday and wasnt feeling to well in my head, bit more clear headed now.
joko...one of the things that the police have said is that they turned up as they had a report that I was attacking my mother. My sister (who rang the police) said that I was drunk and that my mum was upset, NOT that I was attacking her. I love my mum more than anything and she is shocked that the police are saying this. This is not a minor difference of perception. It is an outright lie.
EDDIE...I know that I have got to stand up in court and tell the truth but the thought is terrifying me. Ive never had a jury trial before and my barrister has told me to expect a rough ride from the prosecution. My mental health is fragile eneough as it is.
victor...yes I was drunk at the time but that doesnt make me guilty
wolf.... im not representing myself I have a barrister. I was visible to the two officers present and to my nephew. The police are saying that I picked up the knife AFTER they entered the kitchen (thus appearing to threaten them), My nephew is adamant that I was already holding the knife (I had shortly before cut my wrist with it).

Thanks again for all replies guys.

[EDDIE51]

Please try not to worry too much, things are better when you actually get there. I thought you were defending yourself, I am very happy you have a barrister. Your Barrister will support you in court and guide you as to how to conduct your defence. Judges are not ogres and have seen all this before they are surprisingly sympathetic to defendants who are nervous yet have a strong case such as yours. They can see the diffrence between a defendent who is clearly guilty and someone such as you who is as much victim as assalient . Be Strong .

[TWR]

If you kirb your drinking I think it would help you, may sound nasty but drink can harm a lot of people in more ways than one?

[nailit]

TWR, it doesnt sound nasty at all, I know ive got issues with alcohol which im trying to address.
EDDIE, thanks as always, for your support since ive been posting on this issue. Its not necessarily the judge that im afraid of, its the prosecuting barrister and the hope that my own council can persuade a jury to return a 'not guilty'.
There have been a few cases where I live that have caused a bit of an uproar because clearly mentaly ill people have been given custodials (and taken their life whilst in jail) while pond life child abuser scumbags have got a slap on the wrist.

[albaqwerty]

nailit, I'm glad you're here, just wanted to send you a {hug}
Keeping your chin up is going to be hard, if not impossible, but try to remember you do have a mother who loves you and virtual friends on here x

[nailit]

thank you alba. x

[Ann]

If you ARE telling the truth, stand your ground, keep sober, be brave and strong, look them in the eye, but above all, keep calm and totally dignified. If you are innocent, this behaviour and mannerisms may make them look at you in a different light.

[Baldric]

nailit, just want to offer my support mate, stay positive!

[tonyav]

What he said ^^^^^.