Drug-Driving Law, Good Thing Or Not?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/561243/New-DrugWipe-Drug-Driving-Cannabis-Law-Britain-UK-Tomorrow

Or will some complain that they are being unfairly singled out, as they did over the stop & search legislation?

[kat1]

Good & about time!!

[mikey4444]

If this makes it easier to prosecute people driving under the influence of drugs, than I can't see what is not to like ?

[retrocop]

aog
Long overdue IMO. But again so is the use of a mobile phone law update. I notice that a Chief Constable suggested that automatic disqualification should be applied to mobile phone users whilst driving. It was kicked into the long grass because no party wished to implement it so near to an election.
Strange this law is being passed though since Mr Clegg wishes to de criminalise "skunk"

[Gromit]

It is a minor change to the law and not much will change.
I don't think it is the same as stop and search, so the comparison is unhelpful.

Perhaps they should do an eyesight test while they are at it, the number of people I know with very poor eyesight who refuse to wear glasses.

[Baldric]

Gotta be a good move, they're on a par with Drink Drivers, anything that gets 'em off the road is good news.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "Or will some complain that they are being unfairly singled out, as they did over the stop & search legislation?"

As I recall, the section of the community singled out for unfair attention under the S & S laws were young black men.

Since it is acknowledged that a section of young black men - especially those of the Rastafarian faith - tend to enjoy smoking cannabis, there may be a link there - but I am merely asking if that link was your intention AOG, I do not wish to jump to conclusions.

[mikey4444]

As soon as drug addicts that drive are found out and banned, the better as far as I am concerned.

[ToraToraTora]

I don't care who it is people on Bob Hope should not be driving, end of.

[retrocop]

AH
why did you have to bring a race issue into this thread. Are you insinuating aog has another agenda. Your comment s not germane to the thread and I get fed up with people wrongly accusing aog of supplying OPs with a hidden agenda.

[baza]

The sooner the better, use drugs, don't drive.

[youngmafbog]

I think it is about time.

However I did see people moaning that it applies to prescription drugs too.

Not sure what theses people were on, they appeared to be saying that it's ok to drive ripped to the *** so long as your doctor gave it to you as otherwise it was discriminatory to some ill people!

[andy-hughes]

Retrocop - "AH why did you have to bring a race issue into this thread."

Because I believe the connection that appears to be in the OP is a valid one.

"Are you insinuating aog has another agenda."

I am not insinuating anything at all. If I have misunderstood the working of AOG's thread, I am sure he will be along in due course to confirm that. I believe that my point is fair. Young black men form the majority of those stopped under stop-and-search legislation,and Rastafarians smoke cannabis - those are not conjecture, they are documented facts.

"Your comment s not germane to the thread and I get fed up with people wrongly accusing aog of supplying OPs with a hidden agenda."

If I am seeing a connection that is not intended, then fine, but in my reading of the OP, it is inferred. I believe that my comment is legitimate, and as advised, I am not accusing AOG of anything at all - merely asking a question based on what I have read.

However, as any regular on here knows, if AOG and I have a difference of opinion, we are more than capable of sorting it out among ourselves, I don't think AOG needs anyone in his corner on this one.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

I think that you interpreted my question quite correctly, but it was not meant to contain any 'hidden agenda' the comparison with being singled out for stop & search, makes it obvious, what section of the community I am referring to.

So obvious that I fail to see your reason for setting it out in more detail.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "I think that you interpreted my question quite correctly, but it was not meant to contain any 'hidden agenda' the comparison with being singled out for stop & search, makes it obvious, what section of the community I am referring to.

So obvious that I fail to see your reason for setting it out in more detail."

Thank you for your response.

My post was merely to seek clarification - and as you are happy to point out, I was correct in my interperetation.

But unlike retrocop who comes in all guns blazing and accusing me of seeing something that is not there, you are happy to confirm that there is an element of race in your OP - so thank you for clearing that up.

[Peter Pedant]

Boys Boys stop this hair pulling and squabbling !

I always thought driving whilst impaired by drugs was a criminal offence.

The latest changes are here: ( but they dont really say what the law was in the old days in this case yesterday )

http://think.direct.gov.uk/drug-driving.html
IN 1985 I was asked what proportion of addmissions to the old Accident Hospital who were on Heroin
and I said - NIl I think, but most are drunk.... [victims too were too drunk to walk out of the way of the oncoming car]
and HE said Oh in San Francisco it is around 80%

wow !

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// you are happy to confirm that there is an element of race in your OP - so thank you for clearing that up. ///

It would seem that you are happy now that I have confirmed there is an element of race in my question, but when has that been a crime?

Or are you trying to get a racist label put around my neck by the usual suspects.

I see nothing wrong in my thread, it is quite a reasonable question to ask, and I believe that my suspicion will come to fruition once the drug users are stopped and charged.

[Peter Pedant]

well if you goggle
stop and search racial bias you get this
http://www.release.org.uk/publications/numbers-black-and-white-ethnic-disparities-policing-and-prosecution-drug-offences


and here is one for AOG
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2501912/Rural-police-racist-Study-stop-search-powers-finds-black-people-12-times-likely-stopped.html

the Daily Mail says there is an increased chance ( x12)... so it MUST be true

[andy-hughes]

aog - "andy-hughes

/// you are happy to confirm that there is an element of race in your OP - so thank you for clearing that up. ///

It would seem that you are happy now that I have confirmed there is an element of race in my question, but when has that been a crime?"

never - nor did I state or infer that it was.

"Or are you trying to get a racist label put around my neck by the usual suspects."

You know me better than that AOG - I speak for myself and myself alone. If anyone wishes to join in the debate, more power to them, but I am not in the business of making bullets for others to fire.

"I see nothing wrong in my thread, it is quite a reasonable question to ask, and I believe that my suspicion will come to fruition once the drug users are stopped and charged."

I see nothing wrong with it either, and it is a reasonable question.

My only input was to seek, and receive some clarification, which you have given, thank you again.

I am not trying to start a fight with you, or others - as you know from experience, I don't do hints or suggestions, if I am unsure, I will ask, if I disagree I will argue, but I don't dissemble.

Onwards.

[Peter Pedant]

// I see nothing wrong with it either, and it is a reasonable question. //

and I have given you the answer for stop-and-search
and the answer there is yes

[RandyMarsh]

So obvious that I fail to see your reason for setting it out in more detail.

It is not obvious at all, for every 1 rasta there will be 100 white kids driving after a smoke.

There will be 100 more white kids who stayed up all weekend dancing.