Europhiles Still Saying That The Eu Has Stopped Us Warring And Created Peace Since The World Wars??

[lindapalmara]

I quote from an article today.

It was NATO not the EU which kept peace in Europe ( and safeguarded Eastern borders) The irrelevance of EU institutions to the critical issue of security was highlighted last week when Turkey and Germany called for warships to intercept and deter people smugglers of migrants from the Middle East.

To whom did they make the request? To NATO, the American-dominated military alliance, of which the UK were members long before we joined the EU.

Similarly, when the Polish Foreign Minister said his country's acceptance of British demands for scaling back tax credits paid to EU migrants would be conditional on getting more protection against Putins rapidly expanding army, did he call for protection to come from the "EU Rapid reaction force!"

No, they expected the UK to pay! So much for EU cooperation!

[wired]

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation does carry somewhat more clout and does not have to keep conferring with squabbling members

[ivor4781]

in my view democratic counties in a union will not make war on there union members ,therefore the EU has kept the peace

[andy-hughes]

I think the families of the dead service personnel who died in Iraq and Afghanistan might take issue with the Europhile new about 'peace'.

[andy-hughes]

ivor - //in my view democratic counties in a union will not make war on there union members ,therefore the EU has kept the peace //

But they wouldn't anyway!

That's like saying the EU has helped the sun rise every morning!

[ichkeria]

Both NATO and the EU help keep the peace.
Although whether they will be strong enough now with the deteriorating situation in Syria is a good question.

This is a mad and dangerous world full of despicable regimes. We are better off united, for all the alleged sovereignty trade-offs. It's boring, but it's a fact.
In the UK we probably don't see the necessity of it as much as those on the European mainland. But I recall not so long ago there was a stream of people on here claiming that the Syrian war was nowt to do with us. The truth is now hurting

[Jackdaw33]

There is only one country responsible for a breach of the peace in Europe during the last century, and we all know which one that is.

[Gromit]

You have just put forward the argument for a EU Military.

With a resurgent Russia, the EU needs to look after itself, and not rely on the US.

In the end we must look after and protect our own interests.

[youngmafbog]

An EU Military aka A German one.

And we know what will happen then dont we?

Europhiles are telling all sorts of 1/2 truths and in some cases (cameron) outright porkies. They are clearly rattled and getting desperate. And so they should be.

[Canary42]

Europhiles telling porkies ?

Unlike Europhobes who are of course models of honesty and probity.

[Jackdaw33]

If AB is a microcosm of public opinion I cannot see the Yes vote prevailing. Perhaps the Ed might care to run one of his polls; In or Out?

[lindapalmara]

An EU Military force? It won't happen and if it did God help us. Can you imagine the ragbag of forces from some of the countries in the Eu. As someone has already said, we know who'll be running it. I think Merkel is is on her way out after the recent debacle. What frightens me is she is likely to be followed by a far right mob. Then what will happen!

[Gromit]

// was highlighted last week when Turkey and Germany called for warships to intercept and deter people smugglers of migrants from the Middle East. //

Yes, the Germans asked the German Navy, and the Turks asked the Turkish Navy, both countries deployed one of their own ships.

[bazwillrun]

New Judge has posted some superb pieces on this...

As for me Ive always said the same... in spite of not because of the eussr

the eussr will lead to "war" further down the road when individual areas want their freedom back, only way to stop it is "harmonising" and neutering all national military forces as they currently are

[ToraToraTora]

they've been peddling that pony forever. They are getting desperate that their beloved EUSSR will collapse when the people realise what an unnecessary tyrannical outfit it is.

[Jackdaw33]

If the AB poll currently running in News is reflected in reality, then I wouldn't worry too much!

[bazwillrun]

@jackdaw

if only that were the case...we can but hope though

[jno]

Germany and France had been at war for the best part of a century (long before 1914), which devastated the whole continent. The EU was devised to stop it happening again, and it hasn't.

[ichkeria]

I'm always staggered at the way people misread the role and intentions of Germany in the modern Europe. What is everyone getting hot under the collar about now? A reemergence of Nazi Germany? Well, actually no: rather the mercy dash to accept refugees that would have had Adolf turning in his grave.

[jno]

ichkeria, people just like saying EUSSR because it sounds so clever. The fact that it makes no sense doesn't matter.