Is This Not The Most Morally Bankrupt Thing Ever, Even For Teeresa May?

[kvalidir]

Teresa May has actually threatened to potentially cease co-operation on security matters with EU member states if she doesn't get her own way to get a trade deal negotiated alongside 'divorce talks' ( which frankly isn't going to happen).
Doesn't showing such panicked fearful posturing already not simply get the back up of every EU member country and weaken our position as it is surely not the actions of a leader of a country to endanger the rest of Europe ( and indeed ourselves) in a vain bid to get her own way, but rather of someone who is morally bankrupt and desperately out of her depth in the international field?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4362544/Day-one-Brussels-wailing-accused-blackmail.html

[ToraToraTora]

No it's a bargaining chip, good move Tezza.

[jno]

it's only a bargaining chip if anyone thinks she means it. .

[woofgang]

Well if our contribution to the security of Europe comes at a net cost to us then surely we should expect an adequate return for that net cost?

[ToraToraTora]

OK so now the remainiacs want us to get shafted by the EU because they didn't get their way. Sorry ain't going to happen, the PM will, quite rightly, use every resource at our disposal. This is just to stop sour grape shenanigans from the EU angry that we are leaving their beloved "project". If both sides are sensible the negotiations should be quick, simple and obvious. The PM is saying "don't mess about", that's all.

[naomi24]

Morally bankrupt? No. There’s rather more to it.

Amber Rudd said ““If you look at something like Europol, we are the largest contributor to Europol. So if we left Europol, then we would take our information — THIS IS IN THE LEGISLATION — with us. The fact is, the European partners want us to keep our information there because we keep other European countries safe as well.”

http://www.thenational.scot/news/15190444.Amber_Rudd_denies_UK_threat_of__withholding_intelligence__unless_EU_deal_is_reached/?ref=rl&lp=2

Some things MUST be negotiated. – but why not grasp any opportunity to put the boot in anyway?

[mikey4444]

I agree with kvalidir here. Security should be above all this petty squabbling ..... its far too important an issue, for everybody concerned.

And TTT....please give over about your "remainiacs"..... its getting boring. Put another record on the turntable.

[naomi24]

Mikey, you and kvalidir need to do your homework. See my post above.

[Togo]

So the EU retains the right to threaten us with no facility to conduct trade with member states, but insists that we pay for and maintain our contributions for the safety and security of the zone. If we cannot have trade facilities that are mutually beneficial why would we not focus our defence and security abilities on our own borders and sovereign economic business deals with the rest of the World?

[mikey4444]

Togo....modern day terrorism knows no borders.....surely we would all be safer if we worked together on security ?

[naomi24]

Stop panicking. We will.

[Togo]

It knows no borders Mikey because they have been removed from the EU zone by the Miniluv. We could spend the money that is squandered, trying to bolt the stable doors after the horses have bolted, on securing and maintaining effective control and maintenance of our own borders.

[mikey4444]

Togo....what about an answer to my question....wouldn't we all be safer if we worked together ?

[ToraToraTora]

Mikey, I'll change the record when the remainiacs do.

[mikey4444]

These remainacs are largely a product of your imagination TTT !

I, like most people who voted to stay, are now hoping that Mrs May will get the best deal that she can.

[ToraToraTora]

"wouldn't we all be safer if we worked together ? " - yes indeedy so the EU need to do their bit too. Have you ever done a deal in your life mikey? You'd get rogered in 5 minutes if you turn up starting with concessions. It's the same with all this residence business we can't declare our hand in advance but we intend to do the decent thing if our opponent does the same.

[mikey4444]

To use the security of our country as a bargaining chip is stupid in the extreme TTT....its tantamount to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Togo]

I took it to be an obvious statement Mikey, not a question, off course it is. It has been so since the dawn of time. But if one contributor is shouldering a responsibility with no obvious benefit it is hardly surprising that they may wish to reconsider.

[ToraToraTora]

we are not doing that. We are pointing out our contribution to the security of the EU.

[-Talbot-]

How many attempts does it take for one of the brightest, the youngest, the most liberal people on the continent to spell the name of our Prime Minister correctly?


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[mikey4444]

Talbot...totally unnecessary post.

Is that all you can contribute to this discussion...sarcasm ?