Fao Eddie Or Any Other Leagle Eagle

[nailit]

My sons in breach of a conditional discharge for been drunk and disorderly. Got arrested last night for the same. In court 4th july. Whats the likely outcome?
I paid off his last lot of court costs etc, cant do it again. Bit worried about bailiffs etc as he will not take any responsibility for his finances.
He will just disregard any court judgment but it will leave me with the mess to clean up.
How on earth can I deal with bailiffs collecting his mess?

[EDDIE51]

By the way I admit I was wrong on the question about reporting a change of ownership of a car. I realised it soon after, but by the time I went back to correct it , it was already removed.

[ummmm]

He's not Naomi.

[kvalidir]

I must admit I always find that a curious thing for you to say Naomi, PP isn't a stalker he just disagrees with you a lot, as do I, but I doubt he has any more interest in your generally than I do.

[Peter Pedant]

this one is quite good
( writer owns the debt but wrong address and so on)
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?270662-Bailiff-seizes-neighbours-goods-seized-by-mistake

brother in law and neighbour seem to have a sense of humour
and is very much like the stuff I get involved in

[Peter Pedant]

they're baaaaack! ( quote from Poltergeist 1)

some sensible replies on topic and some of the usual
(I always miss the good bits - anything good or was it the usual saying the usual ?)

Eddie and kval - I have to say that I read your posts preferentially
Eddie you were the one who was very helpful on my maff a levels questions in 2012 - werent you ? anyway thx from then

[naomi24]

kvalidir, he doesn't simply disagree with me a lot - that I have no objection to from anyone. The fact is he makes it up as he goes along - as he's done twice on this thread alone - and that happens on thread after thread, day after day. Hearing that might not be palatable to you - or ummmm - but it is what is happening. Odd that my two word answer to ummmm, that I don't believe could have possibly contravened 'the rules' has been removed. I expect this one will go the same way.

[ummmm]

Naomi....I rarely read his posts so maybe you should do the same.

[TWR]

If a q is about the law & no one on here is qualified to answer it, easy solution, remove law.

[EDDIE51]

^ TWR tell that to New Judge ,Barmaid or The Emmas.

[TWR]

Eddie, you got kicked for an error, there were many posts removed / deleted, easy answer, remove law that's all I'm saying it then stops people getting the wrong information so no-one can complain, I know NJ / Barmaid / The Emmas, has the knowledge.

[anneasquith]

Maybe concentrate on nailit question, or don't post, !!!!

[Peter Pedant]

this one seems to have got lost in the wash

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?270662-Bailiff-seizes-neighbours-goods-seized-by-mistake

brother in law and neighbour has a sense of humour
OP owns original debt

Eddie - NJ gave an opinion on statutory declarations
in a post above - er which I think has survived the slaughter

[TWR]

Unless we have been through the process ourselves and know first hand, it's best to say nothing In my opinion PP, as seen by the error that Eddie make, the posts that was taken off was unreal.

[Peter Pedant]

quite right TWR - whats your connection ?

I know personally five to ten bankrupts ( my fambly isnt very good at business) so clearly have some idea about what happens beforehand

Nailit is quite right to Think Ahead
TWR did I read right ?
the only people who should be posting on this thread about distressing goods are those of us who have had good distressed ?
with greatest respect - I dont think so !

[Barmaid]

I have no idea whether this has been answered because yet again a thread in law has descended into chaos.

Nailit are you planning to continue to offer your son a home? If so, I think that has to be on condition that he starts taking responsibility for his own issues and "bank of dad" is no longer going to bail him out. That being the case, I think the inventory by statutory declaration is useful. Other evidence you may use is the name on the land registry or tenancy and whether he is on electoral roll to show he just stays with you from time to time.

Bailiffs will normally write first so if you are planning on showing your son the door, return all letters stating "not known at this address or gone away or redirect to (his new address)". That may give you some respite.

Remember, a bailiff cannot force entry without a warrant and that is a long way off. There are also things that a bailiff cannot take (see Mamy's link). If you keep your doors and windows locked if they call, talk to them thru an upstairs window and explain the situation. OK so they wont believe you but they will have to go away and get a warrant before they can enter. Even then they are unlikely to remove the goods that day and usually enter a "Walking possession order" which basically means they leave stuff with you for 7 days to give chance for the debt to be paid.

The likelihood is though that if son does not pay fine/costs, he will be arrested again and either resentenced or makes an arrangement to pay. My experience on criminal stuff is a little rusty but it used to be the case that I never knew of anyone who was every visited by the bailiffs - which tends to be more of a CCJ thing than a criminal thing.

You are a long way off this yet.

[Peter Pedant]

thanks Barmaid

damn forgot non payment of fines is different to a civil debt

my bad oops!

[nailit]

Thanks for replies guys.
Yes, its a long way down the line yet but going on past experiences its coming to that as I cant bail him out anymore. His last fines I paid of in one chunk and he was paying me back weekly but now hes lost his job, ive lost that money.
As regards bailiffs, I honestly don't think ive got anything that they would be interested in taking except maybe my laptop (which would get a pittance at an auction).
And as far as talking to them through an upstairs window, that could be fun as I live in a high rise flat (with a video intercom so I can see whose calling...)

Some time ago the baliffs turned up at his mums address to collect unpaid fines and threatened that they had a van coming in an hour to remove goods unless payment was forthcoming. Personally I think they were bluffing as, apart from cooker, washer and other things that they cant take, she had nothing of value.

[hereIam]

What's happened to your avatar naomi? (Sorry nailit).

[Peter Pedant]

Hi Nailit
this thread has been a bit of a blood bath

Barmaid is a QC and you should take her advice
She is my Gloriana of Laws - seldom seen but brilliant when she appears !

[and good luck with your awful offspring]