How Can You Be Fined?

[Barquentine]

If you refuse to give name & address I expect that is an offence itself so I will be arrested. But there are time limits to detain me in a police cell. So they would have to release me after a few days. If I still will not give personal details, how can they fine me for my original offence(s)? Can they rearrest for continually refusing to cooperate? So, in theory I could spend months in police custody? Or would they release me & follow me home? Like, er, they got plenty of spare resources! So how can such an obstinate *** as I get a fine or get a fine enforced against me? Ive asked lots of friends but havent got a coherent answer yet.

[barry1010]

Hauled in to court for obstructing police and sentenced for contempt of court if you refuse to give your details to the magistrate?

[jno]

this may help

https://greenandblackcross.org/guides/what-happens-if-im-arrested/1-should-i-give-the-police-my-details/

[Barquentine]

Thanks both. Harry1010 - so they can get a magistrate court hearing within 24 hours (after which I am free to go)? Assuming they can, do defendants get the names of the magistrates committing injustice against me? I would need to remind the magistrates of the meaning of 'doxing' (which is still legal!). Can I get a custodial sentence for contempt of court? How about for contempt for the British Injustice System?

[Mamyalynne]

https://vhsfletchers.co.uk/contempt-of-court/

[dannyk13]

//Can I get a custodial sentence for contempt of court?//
Yes,:-
https://www.gov.uk/contempt-of-court

[barry1010]

Yes, defendants can be put before the magistrates withi 24 hours

[Peter Pedant]

oh god no
dont try it
luckily this is a what - if ?
and you know what ?
let it stay that way

look froo previous threads - you will find a bald statement that the police DON'T just go up to complete strangers and say what ya name mate
but uauslly / always have a suspicion ( "anything not fanciful") and then it is game over
no I am not an expert and I dont want - ah yes but what if follow ups - thank you

[THECORBYLOON]

What do you mean by "doxing"?

[Mamyalynne]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing

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[New Judge]

//Thanks both. Harry1010 - so they can get a magistrate court hearing within 24 hours (after which I am free to go)? Assuming they can, do defendants get the names of the magistrates committing injustice against me? I would need to remind the magistrates of the meaning of 'doxing' (which is still legal!). Can I get a custodial sentence for contempt of court? How about for contempt for the British Injustice System?//

You're not training to become a "Freeman on the Land", by any chance are you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

To answer your question about being taken to the Magistrates' Court, if the police cannot establish who you are, suspect you of an offence and subsequently charge you (and the easiest one is "Obstruct PC") they can refuse you bail. This means that you will have to be brought before a court as soon as possible and in any case within 48 hours. Magistrates' Courts sit six days a week, though the Saturday sittings are solely for "remand" cases such as I describe here. They finish as soon as all their matters are heard, often by noon. So, if you are arrested before about 3pm Mon-Fri you will be in a cell overnight and in custody most of the following day and if it was after the court has finished on Saturday you will be in until Monday morning. If you simply refuse to co-operate the police may well manipulate your detention so as to ensure you spend as much time as their guests as possible.

Depending on how long you have been inside the court may well decide that time you have spent under lock and key may be sufficient punishment. It is unlikely they will get involved in "contempt" proceedings unless you are suspected of a serious crime and you hinder its investigation. Whilst you are detained you will have your fingerprints, photograph and a DNA sample taken.

No, you don't get to learn the names of the Magistrates. If you want to take action because of your arrest that will firstly have to be towards the police for your arrest, which you will have to prove was unlawful. If you believe the judiciary (i.e. the Magistrates) have treated you incorrectly you will have to take action firstly against the Clerk to the Justices in the area where the court that dealt with you is. If you attempted to undertake your "doxing" exercise (presumably to identify the individual Magistrates) firstly you'd be very unlikely to succeed, however tech savvy you are and secondly whether you believe it's legal or not you would almost certainly find yourself back in court.

So the question you really need to ask yourself is would you put yourself through what would undoubtedly be quite a troublesome time simply to avoid providing your details?

[Barquentine]

Thanks, New Judge. Very concise, comprehensive and complete answer. I had never heard of a Freeman on the Land. I had no idea others share my ideas. I will be applying to join them! 'Doxing' merely involves publicising addresses of those who commit injustice. Do take care not to include any form of incitement, explicit or implied. With no 'tech' skills, anyone with basic computer skills can find almost anyone's address - it just takes persistence. Even if no longer on the edited electoral roll, historic records exist and the Wayback Machine is useful. If they have ever applied for planning permission, or been a company director, or chaired a meeting of their local dramatic society etc. Always be sure to cross-check namesakes; you will be surprised how many people (even with unusual names) have the same name. The BMD website is useful here. It is entirely legal in the UK (though not in the US). Until they stop failing the public (examples too numerous to list,) those suppurating cretins enervating the criminal injustice system can expect psychological retaliation.

[New Judge]

//...anyone with basic computer skills can find almost anyone's address//

If you know who they are. Publishing it may see you with further problems. But the biggest problem you face is that, unless your matter is dealt with by a District Judge (and even then you may encounter some identification problems) you will have absolutely no idea who the three Magistrates are who deal with you.