Sorry Veils again but lets hypothesise

[Simeon]

Let us say the motorcycling fraternity created a religion, which they are quite entitled to do. Would their be support for them wearing their crash helmets in banks and convenience stores. I THINK NOT.

The point I am getting across is that the veils have their place but not to be worn 100% of the time in public.

[Gromit]

Banks and Stores do not allow helmets to be worn for security and identification reasons. Your bkers would have to bank and shop on-line if they wouldn't take their helmets off.

It is interesting that this ban doesn't apply to people wearing a burqa, as the lack of identification also applies to them.

[jake-the-peg]

You won't find many muslims in your neighbourhood bank who aer devout enough to be wearing veils because of the restrictions on usury in Islam.

And what makes you think that the motorbike fraternity could just create a religion - all those head-the-balls writing "Jedi" on their census form didn't create a new religion.

Tell you what why don't you find us one instance of a bank or convenience store being held up by people wearing burqas?

Otherwise lets move on

[saxy_jag]

Wandering off-topic slightly, I had a very interesting experience last weekend.

I took part, as an 'extra' in the filming of a public information film about mass decontamination. The producers wanted a cross-section of cultures represented in this film, so naturally there one or two Muslims among us.

Part of the filming/contamination procedure entailed seperating into male/female groups and then changing into sterile clothing (big, hooded, orange ponchos and face-masks), then showering, and then putting on a different set of clothing - baggy paper suits and waterproofs - and new face masks.

One of the ladies in my group was Muslim, in full set of veils and robes, which she was prepared to remove in the privacy of a ladies only changing area. We all got to discussing the various cultural implications of the procedures, and she said one of the reasons she took part was to show other Muslim women that they can be part of our community without losing dignity or compromising their faith. This lady's body was still completely covered when she was in view of the men, as was her face and head, because of the hood and mask. She had her small daughter with her, who also took a full part in the proceedings, so that was an education for her too.

Getting back to topic, I actually consider it courtesy to remove my helmet when I'm not actually on the motorbike. In fact, most petrol stations like you to remove them before you start to fill up - which is fine by me. After all, I've nothing to hide.

[youngmafbog]

jtp - only a matter of time before someone does cotton onto being able to wear a burqas as a disguise.
Remember its not necessarily bikers that rob banks wearing helmets but scum wanting to hide their identity.
If they cant wear a helmet whats to stop them wearing a burqas ?

So we cant move on can we ?

Did you also not see the word hypothesise in the question?

[jake-the-peg]

Yes and I also saw the words "sorry" and "again"

This has been really done to death and unless there's a new angle on it - I really don't see the point.

Of course if we suddenly see Ronnie Biggs getting up in a burqa and making his getaway on the back of a scooter showering tenners in his wake we'll have to reconsider

[Loosehead]

What do mean "Created a religion" motorcycling IS a religion!

[sp1814]

youngmafbog - in order to wear a burqa as a disguise, the potential robber would also have to be a woman.

Men can't walk like women. They'd give themselves away instantly.

If you want evidence, check out Emily Howard on Little Britain.

[youngmafbog]

SP1814, dont be sexist. Women have the right to be robbers too !!

[anotheoldgit]

Interesting

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6194032.stm

[Bazile]

zzzzzzzzzz - Yes - this one has been done to death now

[Simeon]

Has it Bazille?

Well the BBC obviously does'nt think so.

[NH]

"Veils have their place"- sorry, but they don't.

Regardless of whether they are beneficial or discriminatory they still result in women being treated differently, which is wrong.

In my opinion, mind.

[Eve]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/11 /22/jeweller-robbery.html

http://hogtownfront.blogspot.com/2006/10/times -british-terrorist-suspect-wore.html

http://www.publicsafety.upenn.edu/burka_bandit s.cfm

It's happening already but it's like saying ban motorbike helmets because they are used too.

[Simeon]

Good links Jenna1978

[almcd007]

Great theme for a film - The Burqua Bandits. Failing group of washed up bank robbers down on their luck decide to take lady etiquette lessons, walk and talk like "Laydees" and wear burquas as a disguise to rob banks - career revived !