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If a man walked into a police station (UK only) and said...
"i am a peadophile...."
would he be arrested? i mean i know it seems like a stupid question...but surley, if we have freedom of speech, then the police can only say "fair enough mate, er, see ya later"
I mean, say they arrested him, they find NO evidence of illegal activity - i.e. porn from the net etc. (whatever etc might be!) not ONE single thing to actually show he is a peadophile, but he claims with 100% certainty that he is...would he go free of charge? what, IF any action could the police take?
surley he should be free to think whatever he wants. even if 99% of the population disagrees (and in my eyes, in relation to peadophilia - rightly so!) yet they section people for thinking they want to kill people. does the same happen for peodophiles?
the same again...what would happen if he goes to his Dr and says the same thing again, but claims he's never done anything that would actually get him in jail. what could/can the dr do for him?
what can i say...im curious. mainly because peadophillia is such a taboo subject. no one wants to think about it or talk about it. dont get me wrong i understand that...but didnt we have the same problem with homosexuality in the days Dr's thought it was a mental illness? Now its widley accepted...although living in a world where peodophiles are widley accepted...is to be honest, very scary!
"i am a peadophile...."
would he be arrested? i mean i know it seems like a stupid question...but surley, if we have freedom of speech, then the police can only say "fair enough mate, er, see ya later"
I mean, say they arrested him, they find NO evidence of illegal activity - i.e. porn from the net etc. (whatever etc might be!) not ONE single thing to actually show he is a peadophile, but he claims with 100% certainty that he is...would he go free of charge? what, IF any action could the police take?
surley he should be free to think whatever he wants. even if 99% of the population disagrees (and in my eyes, in relation to peadophilia - rightly so!) yet they section people for thinking they want to kill people. does the same happen for peodophiles?
the same again...what would happen if he goes to his Dr and says the same thing again, but claims he's never done anything that would actually get him in jail. what could/can the dr do for him?
what can i say...im curious. mainly because peadophillia is such a taboo subject. no one wants to think about it or talk about it. dont get me wrong i understand that...but didnt we have the same problem with homosexuality in the days Dr's thought it was a mental illness? Now its widley accepted...although living in a world where peodophiles are widley accepted...is to be honest, very scary!
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It is not an offence to have sexual urges of any description. It is an offence to act on certain ones.
If a person went to the doctor and announced their paedophilia, I imagine nothing much would happen other than the doctor feeling revolted. As above, it is not illegal to have sexual urges. If a doctor considered that there was an active danger to another person, it might be possible to have the person sectioned.
Homosexuality and peadophilia are not, and should not be considered as analogous by the way. It's like saying heterosexuality and peadophilia are analogous. The issue is one of consent - kids cannot give it, adults can, regardless of gender.
If a person went to the doctor and announced their paedophilia, I imagine nothing much would happen other than the doctor feeling revolted. As above, it is not illegal to have sexual urges. If a doctor considered that there was an active danger to another person, it might be possible to have the person sectioned.
Homosexuality and peadophilia are not, and should not be considered as analogous by the way. It's like saying heterosexuality and peadophilia are analogous. The issue is one of consent - kids cannot give it, adults can, regardless of gender.
Fair point WaldoMcFroog in this paragraph...
"Homosexuality and peadophilia are not, and should not be considered as analogous by the way. It's like saying heterosexuality and peadophilia are analogous. The issue is one of consent - kids cannot give it, adults can, regardless of gender."
I never thought of it like that....but your right....
"Homosexuality and peadophilia are not, and should not be considered as analogous by the way. It's like saying heterosexuality and peadophilia are analogous. The issue is one of consent - kids cannot give it, adults can, regardless of gender."
I never thought of it like that....but your right....
Presumably such a person would be saying something becasue they wanted help to deal with the problem.
A doctor would refer them to psychiatric specialists.
Police would only arrest him if there was evidence.
People such as teachers and anyone who works with children in Australia have mandatory reporting regulations and have no chice but to report any danger of child abuse. I expect that most would report the disclosure.
There are still societies where paedophillia is accepted even though it may be notionally illegal. The culture disempowers women so profoundly that it goes unreported.
It remains a major problem through parts of Africa and the Middle East especially in Islamic cultures where the female, even a child, is blamed for anything sexual.
A doctor would refer them to psychiatric specialists.
Police would only arrest him if there was evidence.
People such as teachers and anyone who works with children in Australia have mandatory reporting regulations and have no chice but to report any danger of child abuse. I expect that most would report the disclosure.
There are still societies where paedophillia is accepted even though it may be notionally illegal. The culture disempowers women so profoundly that it goes unreported.
It remains a major problem through parts of Africa and the Middle East especially in Islamic cultures where the female, even a child, is blamed for anything sexual.
Beso � You said that paedophilia is a major problem in Islamic culture. Is that your own perception, media stunt or you have any reputable information to back it up. How many paedophiles have you seen in this western countries and how many even proportionately according to the ratio of population did you find Muslims? Or can you tell me if you know Islam allows it. Because I have not seen any thing in Islamic teachings may be you have, please let me know.
As far as the question is concerned so as Waldo mentioned that desire is not a crime. I would add to that only one point that desire of something unacceptable is not a crime but is deplorable. Because desire is the eager to fulfilment.
Comparing it to the homosexuality is not right at the moment. But I personally would not be shocked if it would once become acceptable as lot of other things did. Because human are controlled by their instinctual desire about novelties and Been there done it now lets do something new. Only one thing can put a stop at these things. The limitations given by the creator. Believe in it or don't.
As far as the question is concerned so as Waldo mentioned that desire is not a crime. I would add to that only one point that desire of something unacceptable is not a crime but is deplorable. Because desire is the eager to fulfilment.
Comparing it to the homosexuality is not right at the moment. But I personally would not be shocked if it would once become acceptable as lot of other things did. Because human are controlled by their instinctual desire about novelties and Been there done it now lets do something new. Only one thing can put a stop at these things. The limitations given by the creator. Believe in it or don't.
There are many leading scientists/psychologists who believe claim paedophilia is a sexual orientation rather than a psychological disorder, since their preference is purely for pre-pubescents, and they have no similar urges for any other type.
So in some ways Danny you are right in your analogy, but this is not a widely accepted (or acceptable) belief.
So in some ways Danny you are right in your analogy, but this is not a widely accepted (or acceptable) belief.
This is not new Waldo. Islam believes in marriage and not in adultery. Then Islam believes in natural age (puberty) and not in digits that are different area to area. Some say 17 and few say 18. Muhammad�s (pbuh) first wife was 15 years older than him and was not a very good looking woman either. He stayed with her until she died after 24 years of marriage.
As far as Aisha Sadiqa (pbuh) is concerned, she was a lot more mature for her age and at the age of 18 she was one of the well known scholars of the Arab world.
In Arab and Islamic world people tend to marry their children when they are naturally adult. Unlike West where you can enjoy yourself (don�t worry about the age) and become public property. No wonder there are so many children where no father is willing to take responsibility . And even that if mother can remember who she had sex with before she got pregnant.
So in the end Legal wives are always better than illegal girl friends for the society and for the people themselves.
As far as Aisha Sadiqa (pbuh) is concerned, she was a lot more mature for her age and at the age of 18 she was one of the well known scholars of the Arab world.
In Arab and Islamic world people tend to marry their children when they are naturally adult. Unlike West where you can enjoy yourself (don�t worry about the age) and become public property. No wonder there are so many children where no father is willing to take responsibility . And even that if mother can remember who she had sex with before she got pregnant.
So in the end Legal wives are always better than illegal girl friends for the society and for the people themselves.
It very much depends on how you define paedophilia.
Is sex with a 15 year old who has given consent and is sexually active paedophilia?
What about 14?
If you follow the example and say that as soon as a woman has her first menstrual cycle, then she is ready to reproduce and therefore ready to have sex.
I do believe that it may become legal to have a sexual relationship with a girl that has had her first cycle.
If you class paedophilia as prepubescent, then I don't believe that will ever be acceptable.
Is sex with a 15 year old who has given consent and is sexually active paedophilia?
What about 14?
If you follow the example and say that as soon as a woman has her first menstrual cycle, then she is ready to reproduce and therefore ready to have sex.
I do believe that it may become legal to have a sexual relationship with a girl that has had her first cycle.
If you class paedophilia as prepubescent, then I don't believe that will ever be acceptable.
I think waldo is rather ironically pointing out that it's not illegal to have a girlfriend.
We use the term legal in a narrow sense to mean the law of the land unless otherwise specified or contextually obvious
Eg illegal in a Cricket match does not mean you will be doing time for it.
Your use of the term in this context seems to imply that your particular religious laws are similarly contexually obvious and that everyone should accept that.
Which could be interpreteted as a touch arrogant.
We use the term legal in a narrow sense to mean the law of the land unless otherwise specified or contextually obvious
Eg illegal in a Cricket match does not mean you will be doing time for it.
Your use of the term in this context seems to imply that your particular religious laws are similarly contexually obvious and that everyone should accept that.
Which could be interpreteted as a touch arrogant.
Ok I understand it is not illegal to have girl friends or mistresses in English law then why wives make so much fuss when they find it out that hubby is having an affair and vice versa. Whereas in many countries when you have more than one wives they stay together happily. And they even look after each other and each other�s children. But rarely happens if you have two girl friends.
So 3 scenarios. Which one works better.
1 � One wife and a mistress.
2 � 2 Wives
3 � 2 Girl friends.
So 3 scenarios. Which one works better.
1 � One wife and a mistress.
2 � 2 Wives
3 � 2 Girl friends.
octavius The definition of a paedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children. In the UK we class children as those who are under 16.
No, that is one definition.
In psychology it is defined as a sexual preference for prepubescent children.
Some people define it as children, some as prepubescent children.
As Jake mentions, the age of consent in Spain is 13 - does this ,mean that it is legal to lust after 14 year old Spanish girls but not British ones?
Or can you not lust after any 14 year old?
Or can you lust after British 14 year old girls when on holiday in Spain?
No, that is one definition.
In psychology it is defined as a sexual preference for prepubescent children.
Some people define it as children, some as prepubescent children.
As Jake mentions, the age of consent in Spain is 13 - does this ,mean that it is legal to lust after 14 year old Spanish girls but not British ones?
Or can you not lust after any 14 year old?
Or can you lust after British 14 year old girls when on holiday in Spain?
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