Job Evaluation query?

[lulu_bucket]

Is there anyone out there trained in Job evaluation so that I could cut and paste a whole load of stuff onto this and get an answer or two? Six of us have applied for re-banding in the NHS etc and are having difficulty with our direct Managers who are saying they dont agree with what we have put on our Job descriptiion - etc etc We do exactly the same as a Band 4 Sec and yet we are Band 4 but more involved than this? Help and thanks.

[saxy_jag]

Not something I fully understand, even though I'm going through it at the moment (local authority). But I do understand it's not just about what you do in terms of actual tasks. They look at, for instance, what levels of responsibility you carry - staff, resources etc. - what level of decision making you do, what conditions you work under and how much creative thinking you have to do. Could it be that you do less of one thing and more of another than ano band 4?

Admittedly, it doesn't seem a fair process. I fail to see how they can compare the work of, for example, a gravedigger and an admin assistant, yet they do, and they decide the latter is worth more. Personally I think it's a money-saving exercise (even though they screwed ours up first time and have had to do it again). We have lots of library assistants on grade 2 and a few admin assistants on grade 3. The LAs do as much work as we do, but of a different nature, although just as specialised, so it makes sense for us all to be on the same grading. The JE team agree - so rather than bump all the LAs up to the higher grade they deserve, they'll undermine all of us and downgrade us to a 2.

[factor-fiction]

I'm a bit confused- you say you do exactly the same as a Band 4 secretary and yet you are band 4. Is that what you meant?
I'll then try to help once I understand what you are asking.

[Androcles]

Do you know what method they are using? Is it an analytical system (Points rating or Factor comparison) or non analytical (Job ranking or job classification) The methodology will determine what information is reviewed.

[Androcles]

You may want to look at this: http://www.unison.org...ges_view.asp?did=2296

[lulu_bucket]

Hi - no I am a Band 3 (although had been a Band 4 for years before taking 15 mths out before returning) Agenda for change had come in and it was decided that I think there should be an equal sort of Band4/3 spread within the offices so I was paid at the top of Band 3. Out of 18 secretaries I have been there the 5th longest (other 4 are Band 4's) A Band 3 does exactly the same as a Band 4 and yet the bottom of a Band 3 is about 15,000 opposed to the top of a Band 4 which is 21,000 which you eventually get to after 5 years on spine points etc - yearly increments. I am therefore on about the 2nd/3rd spine point of a Band 4 which is the same as the top of the scale for a Band 3 so cant get any higher now. They are trying to say that the Band 4's are Med Sec Co-ordinators and they supervise us which is an absolute nonsense and the Band 4's agree with this too!

[factor-fiction]

It isn't clear to me whether the issue at stake here is the wording of the job description (and then the grade) or just the grading?

[lulu_bucket]

Sorry dont know how to respond to each individual on this - Androcles then - Points system

[Androcles]

There is a leaflet from Union on handling your situation: http://www.unison.org.uk/acrobat/B2296c.pdf

[lulu_bucket]

factor 30 - thanks, it has been going on since August! I could scan the Band 4 weight scale and Band 3 with the points etc if that makes sense but it may take me time - not that proficient with a scanner (should I be a BAND 4 !!!!) might have to wait til son gets home though!

[lulu_bucket]

thanks will take a look at the unison site now

[factor-fiction]

I'll take it then your job has been assessed at grade 3 (although I'm still not clear why you then say you are on a Band 4 point).
I'm not sure how the Band 3s can do exactly the same as Band 4s- the job descriptions and accountabilities/responsibility/job dimensions must differ. Are you saying a Band 3 and Band 4 job description are identical?
Or are you saying your actual role differes from that described in the Band 3 job description and actually matches exactly the Band 4 job description?

[Androcles]

The Unison document tells you exactly what to ask for, but it also says at the end that you need to notify your manager, so it would be a good idea to talk to the managers about their precise disagreements with your JD version. If you know what the porblem is it may be easier to identify what you need to say in the review.

[termpapers]

Job evaluation, as described by the Work Foundation, is a "systematic, rational and consistent approach to defining the relative worth of jobs within an organisation". This sounds positive in theory, but what about the reality?

Some planners have not faired well, citing salary cuts and problems with staff retention as planners move to new employers. While Unison broadly supports job evaluation, some members argue that the process is carelessly handled by their employers.

Are criticisms of job evaluation really criticisms of Local Authority management? The notion that Local Government pay grades should be compared across the board is a sound one and, perhaps, an inevitable consequence of the introduction of flatter structures.

Good practice points to employers who took the time to introduce job evaluation. They were able to benchmark successfully and learn from the problems and achievements of others. Corporate management teams set out their corporate objectives and ensured that the process improved, rather than undermined, the organisation.


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