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It always makes me happy to see British talent winning prizes in the US.
And I'm a massive fan of Viola Davis ever since seeing her in 'The Help' and 'Doubt'.
AOG - no doubt, there will be some people who will claim that the number of non-white winners is a reaction in Hollywood to the Oscars, but I think these people can be safely ignored, because basically what they're implying is that when black people don't get nominated, or win it's because they simply weren't good enough, and when they do, it's just box ticking.
...which is pretty disgusting.
And I'm a massive fan of Viola Davis ever since seeing her in 'The Help' and 'Doubt'.
AOG - no doubt, there will be some people who will claim that the number of non-white winners is a reaction in Hollywood to the Oscars, but I think these people can be safely ignored, because basically what they're implying is that when black people don't get nominated, or win it's because they simply weren't good enough, and when they do, it's just box ticking.
...which is pretty disgusting.
Exactly youngmafbog
The closing date for the SAG votes was January 29th. The Oscars nominations were revealed two weeks before that on January 14th. That's when the row over the absence of non-white nominations started.
So unless huge numbers of SAG voters waited until the Oscar nominations were announced, I fail to see what AOG is implying.
The closing date for the SAG votes was January 29th. The Oscars nominations were revealed two weeks before that on January 14th. That's when the row over the absence of non-white nominations started.
So unless huge numbers of SAG voters waited until the Oscar nominations were announced, I fail to see what AOG is implying.
AOG
Actually, it's thoroughly beyond the realms of possibility.
The nomination ballots were sent out on November 18th last year. If I understand your position correctly, you are saying that it's possible that SAG members somehow foresaw the Oscars row, and waited until January 14th to cast their votes in favour of black recipients.
Am I understanding you correctly?
Do you feel that Hollywood is cynically giving out awards at the SAGs to offset the Oscars row?
Is it not far more likely that these fine actors actually deserved to win?
If they didn't deserve the awards, can you please explain why?
Actually, it's thoroughly beyond the realms of possibility.
The nomination ballots were sent out on November 18th last year. If I understand your position correctly, you are saying that it's possible that SAG members somehow foresaw the Oscars row, and waited until January 14th to cast their votes in favour of black recipients.
Am I understanding you correctly?
Do you feel that Hollywood is cynically giving out awards at the SAGs to offset the Oscars row?
Is it not far more likely that these fine actors actually deserved to win?
If they didn't deserve the awards, can you please explain why?
sp1814
/// Actually, it's thoroughly beyond the realms of possibility. ///
Not so.
Oscars nominations were revealed on January 14th, and then all hell broke loose regarding the lack of black nominees.
Closing date for the SAG votes was January 29th, voters had a whole 15 days to decide who should be awarded what award.
Not saying that is a definite possibility or that the actors did not deserve their awards, but it is certainly a possibility that this rumpus could have swayed some votes.
/// Actually, it's thoroughly beyond the realms of possibility. ///
Not so.
Oscars nominations were revealed on January 14th, and then all hell broke loose regarding the lack of black nominees.
Closing date for the SAG votes was January 29th, voters had a whole 15 days to decide who should be awarded what award.
Not saying that is a definite possibility or that the actors did not deserve their awards, but it is certainly a possibility that this rumpus could have swayed some votes.
No AOG.
That makes no sense.
SAG voters would have had to forsee the row prior to the Oscars nominations were revealed, and wait for eight weeks to vote.
Not only that, but it would have to be the majority of voters with this foresight.
That level of foresight is very unlikely.
If we accept that the lack of non-white nominees at the Oscars is not down to racism, but because white actors gave better performances, then we should similarly acknowledge that sometimes black actors will be awarded for their talents.
If we don't, then we put ourselves in the ugly position of basically saying:
1. If a white actor wins an award, he/she deserves it.
2. If a non-white actor wins an award, it's just tokenism.
That reeks.
That makes no sense.
SAG voters would have had to forsee the row prior to the Oscars nominations were revealed, and wait for eight weeks to vote.
Not only that, but it would have to be the majority of voters with this foresight.
That level of foresight is very unlikely.
If we accept that the lack of non-white nominees at the Oscars is not down to racism, but because white actors gave better performances, then we should similarly acknowledge that sometimes black actors will be awarded for their talents.
If we don't, then we put ourselves in the ugly position of basically saying:
1. If a white actor wins an award, he/she deserves it.
2. If a non-white actor wins an award, it's just tokenism.
That reeks.
You might not agree with the first five paragraphs, but they are the facts of the situation.
The row broke out on January 14th.
SAG voting ended two weeks later.
Large swathes of SAG voters would have had to hold off until the Oscars were announced to vote.
Note how the SAGs actually had these actors nominated, whereas the Oscars didn't.
It seems that you believe that the reason that these actors won their awards was because of the row, and that SAG voters mysteriously held off voting because they can see into the future.
I think it's much more likely that the actors in question have done well in popular shows.
I know that in certain circles it's believed that black people only succeed through positive discrimination and/or tokenism, but I believe that there are occasions where success is well-deserved.
This being one of them.
The row broke out on January 14th.
SAG voting ended two weeks later.
Large swathes of SAG voters would have had to hold off until the Oscars were announced to vote.
Note how the SAGs actually had these actors nominated, whereas the Oscars didn't.
It seems that you believe that the reason that these actors won their awards was because of the row, and that SAG voters mysteriously held off voting because they can see into the future.
I think it's much more likely that the actors in question have done well in popular shows.
I know that in certain circles it's believed that black people only succeed through positive discrimination and/or tokenism, but I believe that there are occasions where success is well-deserved.
This being one of them.
AOG
Just to clarify something...did you actually mean to say that you agree with the the following statement:
1. If a white actor wins an award, he/she deserves it.
2. If a non-white actor wins an award, it's just tokenism.
Because that's what the first line of your last response seems to suggest. I just want to make sure I've not misinterpreted what you mean, because on the face of it, it suggests that you feel that white actors deserve their awards and recognition, whereas black actors don't.
That would be quite astonishing in the grand scheme of things, don't you think?
Just to clarify something...did you actually mean to say that you agree with the the following statement:
1. If a white actor wins an award, he/she deserves it.
2. If a non-white actor wins an award, it's just tokenism.
Because that's what the first line of your last response seems to suggest. I just want to make sure I've not misinterpreted what you mean, because on the face of it, it suggests that you feel that white actors deserve their awards and recognition, whereas black actors don't.
That would be quite astonishing in the grand scheme of things, don't you think?
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