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Trump's Ideas On Curbing Mexican Illegal Immigrants, A Good Idea Or Just Plain Racism?
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Apparently all a pregnant Mexican woman has to do, is to wait until she is about to give birth then nip over the border to the US, and her baby then becomes an American citizen.
A wall? perhaps a bit OTT, but then I suppose they said that about Hadrian's.
Apparently all a pregnant Mexican woman has to do, is to wait until she is about to give birth then nip over the border to the US, and her baby then becomes an American citizen.
A wall? perhaps a bit OTT, but then I suppose they said that about Hadrian's.
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I think a lot of people with less than a full pper bag of facts are misreading Mr. Trump's popularity. Firstly, we've had a troubling amount of terrible crimes committed by illegal aliens who are here for the third or fourth time, illegally since they aren't tracked adequately by the INS. One of the latest was a young woman ismply ralkin on the pier in San...
12:54 Thu 27th Aug 2015
I think Mr Trump is as out of touch with the realities of immigration as any billionaire businessman can be.
Mr Trump is dealing in brush strokes as wide as the border he is talking about - he likes to assume that all Mexicans are simply criminals and undesireables who are poisoning American society.
But American society is made up of many creeds and colours - some are criminals and drug-dealers, but that does not make it a correct assumption that all are, and that a wall is the answer.
As far as your comparions with Hardian's wall - built to keep the Picts at bay, who really were savages - I'm not sure it's a valid comparison in 2015 - although Mr Trump would agree entirely I am sure!
Mr Trump is dealing in brush strokes as wide as the border he is talking about - he likes to assume that all Mexicans are simply criminals and undesireables who are poisoning American society.
But American society is made up of many creeds and colours - some are criminals and drug-dealers, but that does not make it a correct assumption that all are, and that a wall is the answer.
As far as your comparions with Hardian's wall - built to keep the Picts at bay, who really were savages - I'm not sure it's a valid comparison in 2015 - although Mr Trump would agree entirely I am sure!
youngmafbog - "How do you explain Mr TRump's popularity then?
Might I suggest that you are out of touch with American feeling even more?"
Mt Trump's popularity was not the point raised - but I am happy to offer an (rather than 'the'!) explanation -
Mr Trump is popular with right-wing Republicans because he plays to their paranoia and offers solutions. Unworkable solutions its true, but they sound good, and in politics, that is everything.
If you remember Sara Palin - darling of the Far Right until she was exposed as an incompetent candidate with serious issues about actually discussing reality, and demonstrating that seeing Russia from your bedroom window merely makes you an Alaskan resident, not an expert on Cold War politics.
I am probably as in touch with American feeling as much as the next UK resident - maybe slightly more because I interact with a lot of Americans in the course of my writing jobs - but I get my perception from the media, as does virtually everyone else in the UK.
Mr Trump is popular, for now, but when it comes to actually posting serious candidates with a view to getting a candidate elected, you will find his star will join Ms. Palin's - as brief as it was bright.
Might I suggest that you are out of touch with American feeling even more?"
Mt Trump's popularity was not the point raised - but I am happy to offer an (rather than 'the'!) explanation -
Mr Trump is popular with right-wing Republicans because he plays to their paranoia and offers solutions. Unworkable solutions its true, but they sound good, and in politics, that is everything.
If you remember Sara Palin - darling of the Far Right until she was exposed as an incompetent candidate with serious issues about actually discussing reality, and demonstrating that seeing Russia from your bedroom window merely makes you an Alaskan resident, not an expert on Cold War politics.
I am probably as in touch with American feeling as much as the next UK resident - maybe slightly more because I interact with a lot of Americans in the course of my writing jobs - but I get my perception from the media, as does virtually everyone else in the UK.
Mr Trump is popular, for now, but when it comes to actually posting serious candidates with a view to getting a candidate elected, you will find his star will join Ms. Palin's - as brief as it was bright.
youngmafbog - "Sorry, but his popularity does have to do with the question. What he says clearly strikes a chord and hence his popularity. Just because his politics conflicts with your right-on left wing views does not mean you are right."
No need to apologise.
What Mr Trump says does strike a chord with certain people, his views don't conflict with my 'left-wing right on' views, because I don't have any. My view of Mr Trump's stance is based on his willingness to lump an entire race of people under one negative banner, which I think is simplistic, but I don't dispute its popularity.
"And I can guess the politics of your right-on writer mates in the US."
Not sure what that means - I don't have any 'right-on writer mates in the US' - I referred to American musicians whom I meet when the visit the UK to play concerts and do interviews. Sometimes, not always, we talk about politics - and as with all Americans (and indeed Mexicans!) their politics are various.
No need to apologise.
What Mr Trump says does strike a chord with certain people, his views don't conflict with my 'left-wing right on' views, because I don't have any. My view of Mr Trump's stance is based on his willingness to lump an entire race of people under one negative banner, which I think is simplistic, but I don't dispute its popularity.
"And I can guess the politics of your right-on writer mates in the US."
Not sure what that means - I don't have any 'right-on writer mates in the US' - I referred to American musicians whom I meet when the visit the UK to play concerts and do interviews. Sometimes, not always, we talk about politics - and as with all Americans (and indeed Mexicans!) their politics are various.
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall...
We have a wall of sorts, if you accept Shakespeare's view. It doesn't seem to be working very well judging from this.
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Which serves it in the office of a wall...
We have a wall of sorts, if you accept Shakespeare's view. It doesn't seem to be working very well judging from this.
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Judging by the way that Trump's campaign is rapidly imploding in on itself, its highly unlikely that he will ever be in a position to carry out any of his racist and hairbrained ideas.
Look what happened yesterday at his Press conference...its an object lesson on how win friends and influence people !
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How this awful man has got as far as he has without apparently having any diplomacy skills is beyond me. He is rude and bombastic and frankly risible.
I hope he never has his finger on the nuclear button !
Look what happened yesterday at his Press conference...its an object lesson on how win friends and influence people !
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How this awful man has got as far as he has without apparently having any diplomacy skills is beyond me. He is rude and bombastic and frankly risible.
I hope he never has his finger on the nuclear button !
mikey - "Look what happened yesterday at his Press conference...its an object lesson on how win friends and influence people !
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Much as I may revile Mr Trump's views, I do actually support him on this.
He was inviting questions from the floor, and had selected a Questioner, when the journalist interrupted, and continued to talk over Mr Trump even when advised that he had not been called.
I think Mr Trump was following press conference procedure.
Futhermore he did not ask for the journalist to be removed, the decision was taken my security, and Mr Trump confirmed he would not object if the journalist returned.
Mr Trump may have controversial views, but on this occasion, I think he was in the right (pardon the pun!).
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Much as I may revile Mr Trump's views, I do actually support him on this.
He was inviting questions from the floor, and had selected a Questioner, when the journalist interrupted, and continued to talk over Mr Trump even when advised that he had not been called.
I think Mr Trump was following press conference procedure.
Futhermore he did not ask for the journalist to be removed, the decision was taken my security, and Mr Trump confirmed he would not object if the journalist returned.
Mr Trump may have controversial views, but on this occasion, I think he was in the right (pardon the pun!).
andy-hughes
/// As far as your comparions with Hardian's wall - built to keep the Picts at bay, who really were savages ///
Our now Scottish brethren 'Savages'???? that's a little harsh Andy.
But on a more serious note, do you not agree that the influx of economic immigrants from Mexico to the USA, is aligned to the problem we now see from those economic immigrants coming from Africa to Europe?
/// As far as your comparions with Hardian's wall - built to keep the Picts at bay, who really were savages ///
Our now Scottish brethren 'Savages'???? that's a little harsh Andy.
But on a more serious note, do you not agree that the influx of economic immigrants from Mexico to the USA, is aligned to the problem we now see from those economic immigrants coming from Africa to Europe?
AOG - "/// As far as your comparions with Hardian's wall - built to keep the Picts at bay, who really were savages ///
Our now Scottish brethren 'Savages'???? that's a little harsh Andy."
I think our Scottish brethren would agree that they were indeed savages then - as indeed were us English - but that was then, rather than now - civilisation is a wonderful thing.
"But on a more serious note, do you not agree that the influx of economic immigrants from Mexico to the USA, is aligned to the problem we now see from those economic immigrants coming from Africa to Europe?"
Yes, I would agree entirely - I simply disagree with Mr Trump's support-friendly but utterly impractical solution.
Our now Scottish brethren 'Savages'???? that's a little harsh Andy."
I think our Scottish brethren would agree that they were indeed savages then - as indeed were us English - but that was then, rather than now - civilisation is a wonderful thing.
"But on a more serious note, do you not agree that the influx of economic immigrants from Mexico to the USA, is aligned to the problem we now see from those economic immigrants coming from Africa to Europe?"
Yes, I would agree entirely - I simply disagree with Mr Trump's support-friendly but utterly impractical solution.
mikey "We might have to agree to disagree about that andy, but my point was perhaps that he didn't handle himself very well did he ?
He was rude and bombastic, when he could have calmed down and handled the situation more diplomatically. He just comes over as a crass loudmouth."
Yes mikey - while I believe Mr Trump was correct procedurally, I do concede that he could have handled the situation more tactfully.
I think when you have the amount of money, power and control that Mr Trump has, you rather get used to saying what you want, how you want, to whom you want, because if people don't go with that, they tend not to be around very long - leaving the accepters as his entire staff.
That in turn leads to fanciful motions about immigration solutions that you then float to the national media, because no-one caught you in a private moment and said "Hey Donald, I wouldn't run with that if I were you, you'll look like a right-wing nut job ... oh, and while we're having an honest conversation here Don, can we talk about your hair ...."
(Sound of a scuffle, loud protests, and a door banging!)
He was rude and bombastic, when he could have calmed down and handled the situation more diplomatically. He just comes over as a crass loudmouth."
Yes mikey - while I believe Mr Trump was correct procedurally, I do concede that he could have handled the situation more tactfully.
I think when you have the amount of money, power and control that Mr Trump has, you rather get used to saying what you want, how you want, to whom you want, because if people don't go with that, they tend not to be around very long - leaving the accepters as his entire staff.
That in turn leads to fanciful motions about immigration solutions that you then float to the national media, because no-one caught you in a private moment and said "Hey Donald, I wouldn't run with that if I were you, you'll look like a right-wing nut job ... oh, and while we're having an honest conversation here Don, can we talk about your hair ...."
(Sound of a scuffle, loud protests, and a door banging!)
I think a lot of people with less than a full pper bag of facts are misreading Mr. Trump's popularity.
Firstly, we've had a troubling amount of terrible crimes committed by illegal aliens who are here for the third or fourth time, illegally since they aren't tracked adequately by the INS. One of the latest was a young woman ismply ralkin on the pier in San Francisco with her father when approached by an illegal immigrant (five times deported and returned) and shot to death with a stolen gun. Hearing her father's description of her last words in his arms being, "Dad, help me"... just add emphasis to how bad the situation is with the illegals... most all of whom come thorugh the porous sowthwestern border with Mexico.
Trump intend (if elected) to build the fence/wall and have Mexico pay for it. Mexico reaps huge financial benefits of immigrants comming to the U.S. and sending money back to Mexico as well as large companies, (Nabisco, Ford, etc.) moving nearly all of thier manufacturing/production facilities to Mexico since the labor rates are so much less and then re-importing the finished goods on which we pay a trariff... Mexico would gladly pay the cost!
Again, I can't understand the criticism's of Ms. Palin when the facts of her selection as Vice Presidential candidate by the John McCain people are quite the contrary to those usually offered in the criticisms.
Ms. Palin was an articulate, attractive, self-dependant addition to his campaign who, nearly on her own re-engergized Mr. McCains flagging attempt. Several "insider" articles have been written about McCains fear of her over-shadowing him in the run so much so that she was muzzeled and kept out of the limelight and later, people from Obama's campaign stated she was the one they truly feared, not the war hero McCain...
"...After announcing Palin as the presumptive vice-presidential nominee, the McCain campaign received US$7 million in contributions in a single day. According to a Washington Post/ABC News survey published on September 9, 2008, John McCain had gained huge support among white women voters since the announcement; he had not only surpassed the Democratic Party candidate Senator Barack Obama in white women voters, but also amassed a lead of five percentage points in the Gallup polls. John Zogby found that the effects of Palin's selection were helping the McCain ticket since "She has high favorability numbers, and has unified the Republican Party..." (Source, Washington Post).
Firstly, we've had a troubling amount of terrible crimes committed by illegal aliens who are here for the third or fourth time, illegally since they aren't tracked adequately by the INS. One of the latest was a young woman ismply ralkin on the pier in San Francisco with her father when approached by an illegal immigrant (five times deported and returned) and shot to death with a stolen gun. Hearing her father's description of her last words in his arms being, "Dad, help me"... just add emphasis to how bad the situation is with the illegals... most all of whom come thorugh the porous sowthwestern border with Mexico.
Trump intend (if elected) to build the fence/wall and have Mexico pay for it. Mexico reaps huge financial benefits of immigrants comming to the U.S. and sending money back to Mexico as well as large companies, (Nabisco, Ford, etc.) moving nearly all of thier manufacturing/production facilities to Mexico since the labor rates are so much less and then re-importing the finished goods on which we pay a trariff... Mexico would gladly pay the cost!
Again, I can't understand the criticism's of Ms. Palin when the facts of her selection as Vice Presidential candidate by the John McCain people are quite the contrary to those usually offered in the criticisms.
Ms. Palin was an articulate, attractive, self-dependant addition to his campaign who, nearly on her own re-engergized Mr. McCains flagging attempt. Several "insider" articles have been written about McCains fear of her over-shadowing him in the run so much so that she was muzzeled and kept out of the limelight and later, people from Obama's campaign stated she was the one they truly feared, not the war hero McCain...
"...After announcing Palin as the presumptive vice-presidential nominee, the McCain campaign received US$7 million in contributions in a single day. According to a Washington Post/ABC News survey published on September 9, 2008, John McCain had gained huge support among white women voters since the announcement; he had not only surpassed the Democratic Party candidate Senator Barack Obama in white women voters, but also amassed a lead of five percentage points in the Gallup polls. John Zogby found that the effects of Palin's selection were helping the McCain ticket since "She has high favorability numbers, and has unified the Republican Party..." (Source, Washington Post).
Lastly, Trump's handling of Jorge Ramos, the Univision reporter invited to leave a news conference, was largely supported, since Ramos wanted to make a politcal statement rather than engage Trump as a reporter.
Besides, after the dust-up, Trump invited Ramos back in and answered his questions intelligently but with the usual Trump edge... a lot of people are supportive on many levels since Trump is financing his own campaign and not relying on the "Big Money" people. He's especially disliked by the Republican leadership since he doesn't toe the line with them. Additionally, he isn't cowed by the main stream press, always expressing exactly what's on his mind without the aid of a teleprompter, without which our current President probably wouldn't have been elected. Mr. Obama even took his beloved teleprompter with him into a recent First grade class (5 to 7 year old children) for a speech...
Besides, after the dust-up, Trump invited Ramos back in and answered his questions intelligently but with the usual Trump edge... a lot of people are supportive on many levels since Trump is financing his own campaign and not relying on the "Big Money" people. He's especially disliked by the Republican leadership since he doesn't toe the line with them. Additionally, he isn't cowed by the main stream press, always expressing exactly what's on his mind without the aid of a teleprompter, without which our current President probably wouldn't have been elected. Mr. Obama even took his beloved teleprompter with him into a recent First grade class (5 to 7 year old children) for a speech...
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