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Why Trump Will Win
Again, it looks like no one is able to tell the Trump story correctly.
Maybe we've all run out of ways to talk about him and his presidential bid that seems legitimate.
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The white working class show some support for Trump, but that's not where his main support comes from.
The poll (by Gallup, of 87,000) suggests it's the lowermiddle, and middle classes which are supporting Trump. They're no more likely to be unemployed, or have a lower income that other if they do work.
No one wants to be at the bottom of the pile, and if you're feeling the heat in second-to-last place, then you're going to vote for the chap who wants to losers of the race to stay where they are.
Anyway, that's my guess, based on the WaPo article. What's your take?
Maybe we've all run out of ways to talk about him and his presidential bid that seems legitimate.
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The white working class show some support for Trump, but that's not where his main support comes from.
The poll (by Gallup, of 87,000) suggests it's the lowermiddle, and middle classes which are supporting Trump. They're no more likely to be unemployed, or have a lower income that other if they do work.
No one wants to be at the bottom of the pile, and if you're feeling the heat in second-to-last place, then you're going to vote for the chap who wants to losers of the race to stay where they are.
Anyway, that's my guess, based on the WaPo article. What's your take?
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Ed.....Its quite clear that Trump has cornered the Stopid Vote. The question remains is there enough Stupid people in America to give him victory.
I maintain that there isn't.
"Trump says things many people want to say"
Well, only those that are racist, and misogynistic perhaps, but what about the other things he says ?
Like when he attacked the Mother of a dead American soldier ?
How many Americans want to say that ?
In my opinion, as long as he keeps putting his foot in his sizable mouth, he will continue to fail. Even his own Party is now starting to disown him.
I maintain that there isn't.
"Trump says things many people want to say"
Well, only those that are racist, and misogynistic perhaps, but what about the other things he says ?
Like when he attacked the Mother of a dead American soldier ?
How many Americans want to say that ?
In my opinion, as long as he keeps putting his foot in his sizable mouth, he will continue to fail. Even his own Party is now starting to disown him.
In my opinion, as long as he keeps putting his foot in his sizable mouth, he will continue to fail.
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How will he 'continue to fail'? He's come from total rank outsider to Presidential nominee when many said he had a snowflake's chance in a furnace. Sounds to me like he's making quite a success!
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How will he 'continue to fail'? He's come from total rank outsider to Presidential nominee when many said he had a snowflake's chance in a furnace. Sounds to me like he's making quite a success!
It's obviously difficult (and, by definition in a democracy, morally wrong) to keep Trump from winning if he has the support to do it, although time will tell if the US system is able to deliver a verdict the majority actually wants this time (in point of fact, it hasn't in the past four or five times already).
Problem is that Trump isn't really the voice the people who are supporting him need. One of the most scathing critiques of Trump I've seen yet, coming from the Harvard Republican Society, puts it best:
"... Donald Trump doesn’t have a plan to fix [the problems Americans are facing]. He has a plan to exploit them."
There can be little clearer evidence from this than by comparing two of his speeches on the system used by the Republican Party to nominate its candidate. While he was still fighting for the race, he pointed out the unfairness of the system that appeared to risk screwing him, and the people who voted for him, over:
"I end up winning Louisiana, then when everything is done, I find out I get less delegates than this guy [Ted Cruz] that got his ass kicked... give me a break" (Donald Trump, at a speech delivered in Albany)
In fact this ended up not being true -- although Trump was correct to complain, and the entire system (for Democrat and Republican parties, as well as the Presidential nomination) is fundamentally broken. Unfortunately, after he was the presumptive nominee, he came out with this:
"You've been hearing me say it's a rigged system, but now I don't say it any more because I won... it's true... you know, now I don't care! I don't care." (Trump, in a speech at Charleston, West Virginia)
I suppose on the one hand, you could credit him for being honest that he's not actually interested in fixing a broken system now that he just coincidentally happened to benefit from it, ie what every other politician does -- but on the other, isn't that Trump's biggest supposed selling point? That he's not a regular politician? But if the angry people of America want to change something, then someone who literally, and categorically, admits that he doesn't care now that he's won, what was the point?
Trump may well win. Everyone who voted for him in that case will, in the end, be the first people to regret it. Trump is his own voice, not theirs, and is interested in himself, not them.
Problem is that Trump isn't really the voice the people who are supporting him need. One of the most scathing critiques of Trump I've seen yet, coming from the Harvard Republican Society, puts it best:
"... Donald Trump doesn’t have a plan to fix [the problems Americans are facing]. He has a plan to exploit them."
There can be little clearer evidence from this than by comparing two of his speeches on the system used by the Republican Party to nominate its candidate. While he was still fighting for the race, he pointed out the unfairness of the system that appeared to risk screwing him, and the people who voted for him, over:
"I end up winning Louisiana, then when everything is done, I find out I get less delegates than this guy [Ted Cruz] that got his ass kicked... give me a break" (Donald Trump, at a speech delivered in Albany)
In fact this ended up not being true -- although Trump was correct to complain, and the entire system (for Democrat and Republican parties, as well as the Presidential nomination) is fundamentally broken. Unfortunately, after he was the presumptive nominee, he came out with this:
"You've been hearing me say it's a rigged system, but now I don't say it any more because I won... it's true... you know, now I don't care! I don't care." (Trump, in a speech at Charleston, West Virginia)
I suppose on the one hand, you could credit him for being honest that he's not actually interested in fixing a broken system now that he just coincidentally happened to benefit from it, ie what every other politician does -- but on the other, isn't that Trump's biggest supposed selling point? That he's not a regular politician? But if the angry people of America want to change something, then someone who literally, and categorically, admits that he doesn't care now that he's won, what was the point?
Trump may well win. Everyone who voted for him in that case will, in the end, be the first people to regret it. Trump is his own voice, not theirs, and is interested in himself, not them.
there you go mikey insulting millions of Americans as "stopid" - bit like you and your buddies did last election and latterly with the brexit vote, third time of getting hit up the jacksy and still you never learn. Who is "stopid"? I'll tell you those that are so blind they cannot see what is going on around them, here and in the US. The masses have seen enough of your right on lefty yogurt knitting tibeten peace porridge organic cobblers. Trumpagedon is comming and I can't wait.
I remain convinced that TTT actually hasn't bothered to read a thing Trump has said, done or written -- or what anyone else has said, done or written about him, if it comes to that. Exactly how many times does it need to be pointed out to you that right now the single greatest opponents of Trump are his own party, who have (a) fought tooth and nail to keep him out, (b) failed, and (c) aren't known for being leftie liberals?
Trumpaggedon if it comes is, as the name implies, a disaster. For everyone -- and, primarily, for his own supporters, who have been duped into supporting a person and not any actual policies or positions (because he doesn't really have any yet). Still, as ye sow so shall ye reap, TTT...
Trumpaggedon if it comes is, as the name implies, a disaster. For everyone -- and, primarily, for his own supporters, who have been duped into supporting a person and not any actual policies or positions (because he doesn't really have any yet). Still, as ye sow so shall ye reap, TTT...
TTT - I think everyone is hoping that there's a silver-lining in a Trump presidency.
Mikey - I'm not sure you read the article I posted, it's not necessarily what you call the "stoopid" vote.
I imagine it'll be a case of a president that no one voted for. Those votes will be counted, but no one will admit to having voted for him.
Mikey - I'm not sure you read the article I posted, it's not necessarily what you call the "stoopid" vote.
I imagine it'll be a case of a president that no one voted for. Those votes will be counted, but no one will admit to having voted for him.
Trump is a horror - but Clinton is an equal, if not a worse, horror.
Trump is (I have always thought) more open to control by the establishment than Clinton - with her entrenched political machine over many decades. That is why I would (heavy heartedly and with crossed fingers) vote for Trump.
The latest utterances by Trump seem to bear out my thinking. He has been told that he needs to moderate his statements. He has nothing to lose by that. He already has the 'red-neck' and hardliners' votes; now he needs to go for some of the middling votes. E.G. 'Stop Muslim immigration completely' has become 'Extreme checks on immigration'. This will soothe a heck of a lot more voters. I begin to think that, saving outbursts, he may, indeed do it.
Scary - but so is the prospect of Clinton. I will never, ever, understand how America had this precious pair to chose between. :(
Trump is (I have always thought) more open to control by the establishment than Clinton - with her entrenched political machine over many decades. That is why I would (heavy heartedly and with crossed fingers) vote for Trump.
The latest utterances by Trump seem to bear out my thinking. He has been told that he needs to moderate his statements. He has nothing to lose by that. He already has the 'red-neck' and hardliners' votes; now he needs to go for some of the middling votes. E.G. 'Stop Muslim immigration completely' has become 'Extreme checks on immigration'. This will soothe a heck of a lot more voters. I begin to think that, saving outbursts, he may, indeed do it.
Scary - but so is the prospect of Clinton. I will never, ever, understand how America had this precious pair to chose between. :(
is Hillary facing allegations of child rape? Trump is.
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I can't see anywhere in the article where the words lower middle or middle class are used. Not sure you've read the article correctly ABEd. Does this sound middle class to anyone? (All from the article):
comparatively well off themselves, they come from places where their neighbors endure other forms of hardship.
Trump's support does come from a place of adversity, though,
From polls, it is clear that Trump's supporters tend to be blue-collar men with lower levels of education
These results suggest that personal finances cannot alone account for Trump's appeal
Trump's supporters do live and work in economies reliant on manufacturing that have been exposed to intense competition from China.
Trump's supporters [. ] tend to be less educated men who hold blue-collar occupations.
Trump supporters might not be experiencing acute economic distress, but they are living in places that lack economic opportunity for the next generation.
Trump's supporters, while still better off than many of their neighbors, are worse off than they might have been in the past.
Trump supporters tend to live in places where the world has gotten visibly tougher for the kids on the block.
between two people who earn the same amount of money and have the same amount of schooling, the person who comes from a place with bad health is more likely to support Trump
The places where Trump is popular are places where people have been unhealthy for a long time.
comparatively well off themselves, they come from places where their neighbors endure other forms of hardship.
Trump's support does come from a place of adversity, though,
From polls, it is clear that Trump's supporters tend to be blue-collar men with lower levels of education
These results suggest that personal finances cannot alone account for Trump's appeal
Trump's supporters do live and work in economies reliant on manufacturing that have been exposed to intense competition from China.
Trump's supporters [. ] tend to be less educated men who hold blue-collar occupations.
Trump supporters might not be experiencing acute economic distress, but they are living in places that lack economic opportunity for the next generation.
Trump's supporters, while still better off than many of their neighbors, are worse off than they might have been in the past.
Trump supporters tend to live in places where the world has gotten visibly tougher for the kids on the block.
between two people who earn the same amount of money and have the same amount of schooling, the person who comes from a place with bad health is more likely to support Trump
The places where Trump is popular are places where people have been unhealthy for a long time.
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