The General Election - It's The Song, Not The Singer That Counts.

[10ClarionSt]

Lots of people in this election campaign have ridiculed Jeremy Corbyn for a number of reasons. However, the intelligent voters in this country are aware that it's not the singer that matters, it's the song, and people have noticed the difference between the Tories (remember them, Naomi?) and Labour. Theresa May wanted this to be about Brexit, but I don't think the majority of people did. For someone like me, it had nothing to do with Brexit. It was about the NHS, education, employment, housing. Like him or loathe him, Jeremy Corbyn came across to voters as a more caring and concerned person than Theresa May. Also, as I said last week, I thought the UKIP vote would collapse this time, which it has. It would appear they have gone back to Labour. Another factor in the disappointing result for the Tories. Right folks, no more posts this weekend from me. I'm off to Plymouth, where, I notice, Labour have just gained Plymouth Sutton from the Tories! Woo! Hoo! If you live in Plymouth, I'll see you in the Barbican tonight! Tara all.

[cassa333]

Actually the singer is important. If the singer has a duff voice they don't last on the local stage let alone national or world stage.

This country will be poorer for a hung parliament and it's a shame. If Corbyn has a deciding vote I predict economic trouble within a year. He might hide it for a while, fudge the books, borrow to the hilt and then, when eventually the debt collectors will be a knocking at the door there will be swinging tax rises to pay for the all the free stuff everyone was so keen to snaffle up.

[EDDIE51]

Do you mean this song ?
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/6/15741148/uk-election-song-anti-theresa-may
About to hit No1 in the download charts!

[ichkeria]

On the face of it your analysis sounds plausible, but it probably not correct. For one thing, having called the election allegedly for Brexit reasons, the Tories and Labour hardly mentioned it, It was not a big issue for either party.
Interestingly, Labour did much better in wealthier constituencies, the Tories in poorer ones. I suspect part of the reason for that is that, ironically, Labour's left wing pitch has tweaked the fancy of the young and many comfortable middle class people. Mrs May's Tories went down market, chasing votes up north, which increased their vote their but didn't bring many seats.

[naomi24]

10ClarionSt. yes I do. Poor country. Cue chaos.

[EDDIE51]

^ there will be another election in less than a year and if the surge in support for Labour under Corbyn continues we will see a 'Labour Landslide'!

[ichkeria]

"For someone like me, it had nothing to do with Brexit. It was about the NHS, education, employment, housing."

Strange, because not so long ago all those things were (rightly) being associated with Brexit. Remember £350,000,000 for the NHS or whatever it was?

[youngmafbog]

Hung Parliament, the worse result we could have.

And yes it certainly pays to offer the world even if you can't pay for it! The Millenials in particular love something for nothing.

[Khandro]

The country has been weakened by false promises, how could anyone believe that a labour government could abolish tuition fees, pay off student debts, give large sums to the NHS, increase police numbers and more, all from taxing the rich and big businesses and all overseen by a lifetime serving backbencher who has never run a thing and a similar Marxist Chancellor, not to mention a deranged foreign secretary?
Cor bloody blimey!

[Old_Geezer]

IMO Brexit was of prime importance. It is a one off major event that has to be got right or we'll be years going back and renegotiating. Other issues are important but can be dealt with if they experience a blip. I find it difficult accept that a majority of the population would not be able to understand that.

Most of the fall must be due to an unstable disasterous campaign letting supporters believe they were destined to be worse off, appearing to flip flop, and failure to negate criticism from other parties. True Corbyn came across as a kindly uncle figure, who wasn't as bad as painted, but not trusted enough to be given control. And until Brexit is out of the way, thank goodness for that. We need to get the country's foundations including control of self and avoidance of accepting economic/control dominance by other countries negotiators first before building a fairer society upon those foundations.

[Old_Geezer]

Ah yes, I remember that remainer lie, ichkeria. And realising that repeat a lie against someone or some party often enough then vast numbers will believe it without properly checking what was really said.

[naomi24]

OG, //We need to get the country's foundations including control of self and avoidance of accepting economic/control dominance by other countries negotiators first before building a fairer society upon those foundations. //

We've just dug a thumping great hole under the foundations. Subsidence will shortly become evident.

[youngmafbog]

Already started financially Naomi. There will now be even less in the pot for freebies. Perhaps she should not form a Government let Corbyn have the keys, destroy the Country and then get shot of Labour for good?

[naomi24]

YMB, I said something similar a few days ago.

[ichkeria]

"Ah yes, I remember that remainer lie, ichkeria."

Think you'll find that was a leave "prediction"

it is worth remembering that Mrs may did not have to call this election. Blame her for a spectacularly awful campaign.. The girl who wanted a larger slice of cake. ...
Since 2015 the Tories have taken into a disatrous referendum, and now a needless, destabilising election. Not a great record over 2 years, is it.

[Gromit]

So, (just to annoy AH) going into the EU negotiations, our side is in chaos.
If the Brexit deal we get is bad, we'll be begging to re-join the EU in a few years time. Perhaps that was remainer May's plan all along.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I like the idea of Corbyn in power.

There are too few rich people to pay the full bill. Therefore poorer tax payers will have to provide the shortfall.
And, of course, the ratio of "gimmees" to contributors will increase.

I got a modest grade in O-Level maths, But the most basic arithmetic (don't need trig or algebra) should convince you that nine people in work can provide for one person without a job, but one person in work can't support nine parasites.
A Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbot government would unravel in two years.,

[Old_Geezer]

The foundations are what are achieved at the negotiating table for post-Brexit relations/trade. The hung parliament at Westminster is more of an obstacle to laying them.

But at the end of the day if the negotiating team remains resolute then Westminster will have to decide between what they achieve or WTO rules; so it'd be a "brave" remainer MP to opt for WTO, whereas it is merely a matter of not voting to get it wrong that would convince a leaver to reject an agreement and tell folk to renegotiate.

[Old_Geezer]

Claiming that leavers has promised a £350M saving that would all be spend on the NHS and was written on the side of a bus, when anyone who looked and read what was written could see it wasn't so, was a leaver prediction ? Not sure I agree with that. That seems more like continuing the original remainer lie to me.

[naomi24]

OG, Brexit negotiations aren’t the be all and end all of the foundations. The whole building is on wonky ground now.

[youngmafbog]

I had wondered that myself Gromit.