Secret Lives Of Farm Animals

[bainbrig]

Just seen last night's episode of the Secret Life of Farm Animals. Amazing, incredible, see it on catch-up if you missed it (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0001jgg).

I've always liked cows, but had no idea that they organised their own creches (when left alone to do so), or that they liked music!

My only real question is: "How, having seen programmes like this, can people STILL eat animals, knowing that they are sensitive, caring, sentient beings - and not, as most meat-eaters would like to believe, just a special sort of plant that moves around?"

BillB

[bainbrig]

Sorry, sickness descended on the household, and it’s hard to work up enthusiasm...

However. AL - you seem VERY cross. Is it an act, or do you go through life snapping and snarling?

Sparkly - I explained the rock-banging allusion in another thread. (Hitchhikers Guide, advice to Earth’s proto-humans on how to evolve.)

Baldric. More of a good line than an insult, but he’s your boy, so your opinion.

Tora. Don’t agree. We have ‘evolved’ in certain ways, yes, and developed socially in others, putting the ‘white’ races currently on top of the leader-board in some limited respects. Just an accident of evolution and development, and nothing to do with any innate superiority; come back in a century and see how things have changed, again.

I am against any system which bases its ethics on its perceived superiority over other species or even other fellow-humans. It only leads to disaster.

BB

[SparklyKid]

Burgers for tea, yummy. Pork pie for supper. God bless the little piggies for their generosity.

[bainbrig]

Can’t compete with an intellect like yours, sparkly.

[hereIam]

Unnecessary SK.

[SparklyKid]

Succulent lamb chops this weekend, bliss.

[Mamyalynne]

It's just become a game now, very childish.

[bainbrig]

Mamya: not one that I’m playing.

(And hereIam - when you describe SK as unnecessary, who can disagree).

[AuntLydia]

Bainbrig Do you seriously think my reply was' angry' ?

I answered your question you asked, that is, do I think we are superior to animals and have the right to kill and eat them.

I answered you -if you don't like the reply then discuss it like a man rather than throw out unfounded insults...

You can try and yank my chain like you boast you love to do to everyone on here, but believe me you have neither the intellect nor the strength. LOL!

[SparklyKid]

Well said AL.

[SparklyKid]

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Can’t compete with an intellect like yours, sparkly.

16:51 Tue 18th Dec 2018

Most sensible reply here.

[hereIam]

Gone of ya now SK.

[bainbrig]

QED, auntlydia, QED.

[AuntLydia]

La plume de ma tante Bill, La plume de ma tante. :-P

[bainbrig]

Quod erat demonstrandum. ("Thus it has been demonstrated.")

Is your reference to auntie's pen some sort of subtle response?

[SparklyKid]

Just had the last slice of pork pie, delicious.

[AuntLydia]

Having studied Latin at School I'm quite aware of what QED means Bill.

Google' del boy plume de ma tante.'

Thought it would be appropriate as you do like your comedy quotes don't you.

Quod erat faciendum Bill :-D

[spathiphyllum]

"think we are superior to animals and have the right to kill and eat them. "

The answer is yes.. Just look at nature.(Don't forget.. we're not above nature... we're the literal living embodiment of it)

In nature a cat has all the right to kill and eat a bird, just like that bird has the right to kill and eat a worm.

If you consider humans to be "too aware" for the food web (or food chain for those less pedantic) or to evolved to be a part of it then you're literally saying we're better than nature, which is impossible, because we can't be better than what we are.

[spathiphyllum]

Also, just because something may harm another thing, doesn't mean we should stop doing it (apparently). Just look at war, and how every country operates. We care more for animals than we do our own race.

Eating meat is natural. It's how we got to the level of consciousness we are at now. It contains vital (literally, vital, can't be found anywhere else) vitamins and minerals that keep us alive. True vegans take supplements made in a lab literally to survive.

[Atheist]

On the question of 'rights' -
I don't believe there are any rights other than what we, as humans, decide to agree on. I don't think that there is a god who gives us the right to eat animals, it is up to us.
Imagine an alien society who arrived here and decided to eat us. They might consider us as so low in intelligence and feeling that they would choose to farm and slaughter us without a qualm. I'd prefer them to feel compassion for all living and sentient things.
I choose to avoid eating animals wherever possible.
"We are what we are".
I think we are what we make of ourselves, within the bounds of natural limits to this. It's up to us to choose how we treat the world.

[spathiphyllum]

if it was sustainable i'd agree, but it's not.